how to counter SF ?

[Joker~]

sf with first skill is hard to counter if played well.
anyone know how to counter it ?

[Joker~]

i will reply 2 ~ 3 days after going chalet..
Please give your advice / comments on this topic..
Thank you very much for your advice / comments (if u have left)

[Reya]

lol ! you know how to siam then good lo ~

[w4ndeRz-]

Use lich! or Zeus.

[KeN -]

tell a joke.make him laugh

[TheSentinel]

you don't tell he also laugh.. siao one..

[B|a h x 3 `]

DOOM? (10 letters)

[SweetyGaL(]

juz off the light can liao..

[tim3less]

Nerubian Assasin! Make him manaless..

[Reya]

actually.. viper with blink is a very good way xDDDDDDDDDDDD

Edit : Trying using heros that use skills more than 800-850 range away, EG : tinker kotl ES.. ^^

[Shibaide-man]

I think warlock? wl haf some hp and spam shadowword can aggro him ma =)

[B|a h x 3 `]

actually.. viper with blink is a very good way xDDDDDDDDDDDD

Edit : Trying using heros that use skills more than 800-850 range away, EG : tinker kotl ES.. ^^
so u mean ES can win SF!?

[Reya]

no actually i mean, use skills that are abouve 800-850 range so can hit SF ?

[Joker~]

But there will not be enuff mana to be used for spamming if we r using ES.
And SF spell onli cost 75 mana which means he can spam more than us.
When Sf is at lv 7 or 8 , if he max first skill n third skill first he will have more dmg so how can i do to counter that ?

[Reya]

if you are saying early game, try those heroes that could ko in 1-3 skills ? eg tinker

viper can take him, but if the SF super god accurate raze, then die lo, but if you know how to run your route properly, can siam his raze.
lich can take SF also but play hum lo .

[StripperA]

wl can cie sf, sf can cie wl..both ways..

[Ki[N]gkOn[G]]

If in a 1v1 lane fight .. WL n viper should be a better choice.. WL can control wif word n he deny easy wif his base damage. as fer viper, he can easily control sf like siao wif his harass ... jus keep harass n gif him stay back ..

[Prince-of-Lies]

so far i see most of the times in those overseas tournies ppl use tinker/silencer/viper

[Joker~]

gkOn[G]']If in a 1v1 lane fight .. WL n viper should be a better choice.. WL can control wif word n he deny easy wif his base damage. as fer viper, he can easily control sf like siao wif his harass ... jus keep harass n gif him stay back ..
If u say viper harass sf , sf will use his skill to att viper because viper is near and will hit the first skill twice which cause viper to take in more dmg than sf do

[Reya]

Prince-of-Lies;
Silencer is not a good choice early game imo x_x

Joker~;
viper can take, because at lvl5, viper should get a kill from his lane already, or not cmi liao, somemore, lvl5, only 225x3, around 600-700, magic reduction + armour + 700hp+, should left about 80-100+, somemore there are very SF pro, only seen a few godly razeZzZzz.

[Ki[N]gkOn[G]]

If u say viper harass sf , sf will use his skill to att viper because viper is near and will hit the first skill twice which cause viper to take in more dmg than sf do

At starting ... if u jus keep harass viper .. even if he raze u, 75 damage at level 1 n 150 damage at level 3.. jus eat tango n keep harass .. sf wont be veri ez to get level ... jus need to win sf by 1 level litat .. viper at lv 5 ,should be alot of chance to kill sf ..

[Reya]

for now, tango sux, flask is better -_-

[Joker~]

Other than viper wat do u all recommand ??
Flask is realli now better than tango le

[sh0h0ku]

sniper ....

[Joker~]

But sniper health is too low

[StripperA]

wl is a good counter, u got best of both worlds - defensive and offensive vs a shadow fiend who can only harass and farm.

your atk animation is almost the same as sf, so farming should be pretty even if both players are good

[Reya]

wl attack animation faster :/

but seriously there are very lil sf pro leh..
seldom see one.. :/

and where got gosu untill like that -.-

[Bouncy]

Pudge > Sf

[StripperA]

wl attack animation faster :/

but seriously there are very lil sf pro leh..
seldom see one.. :/

and where got gosu untill like that -.-

ur sf pro right reya

[Reya]

O_O
dont know, ask ben =p

[ANstormZ]

If sf is played well, cant be countered, unless ur teammates helps u to hunt sf, tats the only way :Banane51:

[ANstormZ]

Mass stuns > sf:Banane08:

[YupiGummyBear]

use naix ftw

[kimpi]

tinker... nuker

[StripperA]

when sf's souls gets going, it's really hard to stop its farming..

[ANstormZ]

ya when his souls are getting more and more, make him cant use any spells or even attack you, disable > sf G_G

[YupiGummyBear]

RK > SF. Averagely farmed RK can easily own a SF that farms well

[WiSeBoBo]

you'll know how to counter sf if you also use him alot....just familiarize yourself w/ shadowraze timing and you'll find him easier to fight w/

one good hero to fight him w/ is bane elemental (atropos), make sure to get necro book.... you could also use enchantress but make sure to get a helm of defiance or atleast the cloak.
Viper and warlock are good choices but if its 1on1 dont use warlock since sf users usually have manta in their item list and so the diffusal blade would make warlock's ulti useless.... if its not 1on1 then you could definitely use kotl.

if you want melee heroes u can get bradwarden (level the thorns aura) or abadon.

[StripperA]

when he ups bkb and blink, its really a pain to deal with*

[ANstormZ]

sf just only nids lothar's and pwns all. gg. gg. gg. gg. gg.

[evilb0is]

sf has rather low life. Just get some nukers like zeus or just get aggessive on him.

[StripperA]

zeus is a good counter for sf if its 1v1, he can nuke hard with the raze(which can be avoided). Zeus' lightning bolt is unavoidable, coupled with the static field, it's a good fight against SF. But a good SF can make use of fog-of-war to win Zeus.

Tinker is also a good alternative. ^^

[evilb0is]

no hero is strong on his own. Sf maybe quite strong alone. But however it weakness is that it has too little hp.

But a little nukes from int heros or some harrass by some long range heros. Or a little backstab by running heros, he should not be able to farm.

But however, he can farm fast if he want to. Especially during mid game where there are many opportunities.

[StripperA]

+60dmg, crazy ability