What is your strategy purchasing item?

[pumpkin]

hi guys,

just wondering, what is the must have item when you're playing different specialties (Strength, Agility, Intelligent) heroes and how would you prioritize the sequence to get them?

By the way, we're playing -allrandom. A brand new ballgame for every new session.

I usually try to get hold of a Battle Fury first, for the HP and Mana regeneration. Then, Eaglehorn/Messerchmidt's Reaver/Mystic Staff depending on the specialty and try to add recipe to become Butterfly/Santanic/Aghanim's Scepter (if applicable).

Then a Helm of the Dominator (for LS) and Hyperstone (for AS) if possible.

We usually have a matchup of 4 vs. 4. Gold is really modest for a start. A good advice on the sequence is most welcome.

cheers,

[idle]

Its very variant, do not limit your item builds, its very important that you buy the item you need. Which means, you have to check the items of your enemy, and plan out proper items which are effective against heroes of the opposing team or supportive to your allies.

And planning item builds are as theoretical as it gets, unless u are doing very well, its not easy to get what u want in a short amount of time. Usually in team games, if both teams are equally deadly, then there might be enough time to have a long game for good items to appear. Some games dont last very long so you may end the game with just a Treads, Crystalys and Some Wraith Bands (for example purposes) ...

And another point is to work with what you have and not only focus'ing on what you need. Thats where Teamwork can take down another team with better items (then again, if theres good teamwork, they shouldnt be able to get better items should they xD) ...

[applecats]

regardless of the money, i never have a fixed sequence for items because it depends alot on the opposition on the same lane.

during early game if i know i have the upperhand, i'd go straight into 2nd tier items like euls, lothars, mael or sange/yashas and break into the guinsoo/butter/mkb/burize respectively.

though if i'm being pressed alone against 2 nukers (ie.maiden + zeus ouch!) or teaming against a lone early game king (ie. deathprophet you level slower and she's got advantage over 2 heroes anyhow) i'd buy the basic bands/talisman to boost my stat. most people disregard this but just a bit more stats over your opponent can make alot of difference. try going 3 wraiths on an sa or 3 nulls on your maiden. then work up to one of the 2nd tier items mentioned above in mid game depending on how the game's flowing.

I never really ever get a hyperstone anymore unless i'm sure of winning the game because the money for a 50% attack output could be more well spent on a disabler like eul's or a multi beneficiary item like sny.

I don't really recommend the battlefury as a first game item either because it could be more well spent in items that give stat bonuses rather than just pure damage and regen. Of course that's subjective but imo stats make all the difference.

[Shawn]

I think getting items to counter your opponent's strategy and also depending on the game situation is important. Like if theres alot of AOE damage then Mekansm would be good, or more life items, or if your strat is to have a hero push 1 lane while the rest try to hold the incoming enemies, then BoT? And also items that you can build up from your early game item build is good.

[Hime ^^]

for me, it depends on my style of play for the hero...

i'm more of a spammer (if that hero has spells to spam) so i will get nulls usually.... power treads is a must for almost all of my heroes, then depending on wat my hero plays as, i will buy crystalys, basher or watever that comes to my mind when i play....

if opposing team has alot of spell casters and stunners, i will get BKB....

i base my item build on situation into the game lar... so see lo... :p

[pumpkin]

Thanks guys,

I gather getting items to improve the stat is important.

Frankly, I never pay attention to the items my adversaries were carrying. As I have mentioned, we are playing -allrandom, usually, we were using some hero for the first time. Hand were pretty tied to discover our own strength and weakness. But for now, I will make a point to study the comrades and adversaries. ; )

To extend on the quesion, during the start of the game, do you guys travel back to base to recover HP and recharge Mana or it is advisable to invest in Ring of Regeneration & Sobi Mask, so as to stay farming/creeping for level up.

cheers,

[Hime ^^]

depends on whu u are using and wat u are fighting against.... there are times when my VS don even go back until i reach lvl 9... but u have to moderate ur mana and life alot lo...

one time my dwarven reach lvl 11 also haven go back once.... and all i have is a pair of boots... (ok lar... opponents rather noob they sent the wrong hero to my lane.) other than that, a ring would be good for hp regen.

[applecats]

hime's right. if you know you're stuck with a late gamer like the pa or the wolf dood who can't farm well esp if all your opponent heroes are ranged or nukers, you might want a ring of health so you can stay on a lane long enough to level.

one of the strategies in dota is to pressure your opponent to go back to heal as much as possible early game so if your matched with someone who's very good at doing that, a ROH helps alot.

a sobi on the other hand is very subjective because i only buy it for characters i plan to get a guinsoo with. otherwise, i think it's better off getting nulls as opposed to a sobi. a null's just about a 150 gold difference anyway.

[pumpkin]

Cool guys! I guess it is really important to understand the strength and weakness of each hero. Just wondering, do you guys really spend time to train in all 72 characters?!

applecats, do you get Guinsoo for intelligent hero only?

cheers,

[idle]

well you dont need to train all the heroes lol ... but you should know how each hero works (for defensive purposes also) and basically work out what items to get. Many heroes have different ways of playing so item build varies alot. Sand King with Linken and Guinsoo is quite a pain ...

[Hime ^^]

yup.. i agree with idle...

i don train all 72 heroes and frankly speaking i sux at using melees and certain intel heroes. The only melee hero which i can use with comfort is naix and skeleton king... but i play random mostly now to make sure i understand how a hero works so that i can think of ways to counter it if i should face it with my own characters which i normally use.

Dota is abt learning and experiencing. Play more with ppl better than urself and u will learn alot more... but don play with ppl whu are way too good coz of the skill and experience difference, u cant learn much without being frustrated.

[pumpkin]

haha Hime, I can't agree more. Melee and some intel hero indeed makes the game difficult.

umm...Sand King with Linken and Guinsoo is quite a pain? That would mean my idea of Guinsoo is an item meant for intel hero is wrong. :confused:

cheers,

[Hime ^^]

erm... sand king would be even a worse pain with BKB.... :p

guinsoo is good for quite alot of heroes, not only intel heroes... dwarven with guinsoo is also gross...

[MaNtA.]

BKB makes control lost for 1 sec after activation and another before end duration. Dagger best lah lol.

[KCobain]

guys don't forget necromicon, it's an awesome item in all.

[AsTheRushComes]

jsut get regen items , boots of speed nd and farming items 3rd( radience, HoM, attle fury) in that order.

[Archdevilasd]

just buy a gem if its 4v4.. you will have enuf.. its like he see you got gem and know it will drop on death so he will keep try to shoot you
then the creeps will shoot him and he will commit and die..
then try to store one shot dr.. its the same tactic.. keep stand at tower and he will run to you and die

[KCobain]

just buy a gem if its 4v4.. you will have enuf.. its like he see you got gem and know it will drop on death so he will keep try to shoot you
then the creeps will shoot him and he will commit and die..
then try to store one shot dr.. its the same tactic.. keep stand at tower and he will run to you and die


this is retard.why would a guy focus fire on you just because you have gem? and storing for a divine is extremely risky.even though you may have gosu farming skills, i doubt you have the capacity to hold a divine mid game.

[StripperA]

i think this thread is pretty good, so i used my shovel(the thing to dig soil one).. Items are situational and always using the same item build is damn sian, change the build to fit the situation~