Qns On Dota :)

[azmi]

hi im kinda new to dota n hope sum of u guys may help ans my qns below:

1]Can Vengeful actualli use Bkb to defeat luna's ulti?
2]Luna's items cud'nt be attack modifying items, then wats is her ideal items?
3]Stone giant cn actualli toss/stun rhasta's wards?
4]Vengeful is a early hero, so wat items r gd for her for a late game?
5]Rhasta is a spellcaster, bt y is his casting spell took quite long against other spell casters? [Eg=against a lion, my voodoo spell lose to his wen comes to casting it]
6]Is it possible to allow SA to use lothar edge since his ulti is invisi?
7]Wat are the best items for SA? because i been usin SA, n always i juz bought him butterfly n S n Y...
8]Wats the difference between an early hero n a late hero? i knew the basic tt late heroes win by late game... bt even early heroes, wen bought a heart or att modifying items/orbs like deso, they also cn defeat late heroes...

Hope my qns may be ans so tt i cud understand it all... i watched most replays here n i learn alot frm it all ... u guys r great :) :bananadoggywow:

[DeaDGoD]

1. Yes
2.dagger, specter, refresher, boots of travel butterfly if u have the cash
3.Yes
4.Buriza, butterfly, skadi
5. he clicked 1st.
6. y the hack do u want loathers if u have invisble?
7. i usally go skadi and butterfly. or ys butterfly
8. early game hero = lich, zeus, veno, where they can pawn at the start
late game hero = sniper, terrorblade, troll, where they tend to get overpowered and kill easily.

[Ant]

In-depth answers, and more!!

1) ANYONE can BKB to counter Luna's ultimate.
About ultimates and spell immunity. First, it should be noted that magic immunity prevents all damage from direct-damage ultimates (channeling stuff like stampede and starfall do damage, but DotA contains no ultimates based off those, stuff like omnislash relies on triggered damage AND damage done by the juggernaught so it goes through spell immunity, unless triggered damage is not of type 'spells' which I believe most if not all triggered damage from spells is done from). All ultimates can be casted on Magic Immune units, and side effects (e.g. stun or purge) will also take effect.
Luna's ultimate however, is of the 2nd type of ultimate, the TRIGGERED ultimate. This ultimate is casted as an ultimate, however, it uses triggers to create OTHER units to cast non-ultimate spells, which don't do anything to magic immune units (e.g. Sand King's epicentre won't slow, and Luna's ultimate won't stun). I'm curious as to why you asked about VS in particular.

2) Luna can get anything. Note, you CAN get skadi if you want. You also CAN get burize. When I play Luna I see how much I'm winning by to go an item build. If I can eclipse in the middle of the enemy, kill him, and run away without dying, I go for dagger. If I can, but I need the additional farming AND survivability, I get Lothar's. If I'm feeling rich and farmish, I get butterfly. If I'm feeling rich and survivalish I get skadi.
Alternatively most people get Agahnim's, or burize. I hate agahnim's (it's such a boring item t.t) and burize isn't as productive most of the time as a butterfly (because Luna's aura depends on base damage, burize doesn't increase base damage). Of course, get the usual power treads and bracers.
If you want to have fun, get Dagon and BoT, and Linkens for survivability. If you're feeling bored AND rich, get aegis rapier (you can go that with almost every hero).
So the answer is, look at the situation. Luna isn't a very one-purpose or one-item-build-counters-all hero.

3) I haven't tried tossing wards, but I believe the "pick random unit within range" trigger has been known to exclude certain spell immune entities (e.g. with Magnus' reverse polarity sucking in wards too). As for stun, I haven't tried either, but wards are spell immune, so I doubt so.

4) Same as Luna, except Vengeful can go S&Y, and vengeful can't get the multi-purpose ever-useful greatly gorgeous fantastic dagger of escape. Like Luna, no burize because the aura will make the +agil do significantly more damage.
The only exception is that if there are a lot of low HP heroes around, it is actually VERY USEFUL to get dagon, not just a fun strat.
Of course, treads and optional bracers.

5) They call it animation time (if there's any difference at all. I'm not sure about this but I know that animation times do affect speed of spells being cast, but very minutely). I don't think the makers actually bothered to balance animation times. They just took the natural timings. It'll look weird (and be unnaturally imbalanced) to have Rhasta INSTANTLY cast serpant ward around you, and AFTER that you see him lean back to do his caster animation.

6) There isn't anything stopping SA from getting Lothar's edge other than human intelligence.

7) Again, depends how much you can farm. Skadi/Butterfly/S & Y (yes, I said skadi). Alternatively, a diffusal blade actually works very well (then manta).

8) Strictly early game heroes rely mostly on their spells to do damage (since spells do an absolute amount of damage) whereas strictly late game heroes rely mostly on their physical damage to dish out damage. As the game progresses, spells get less and less effective (items and levels increase health and diminish spell effectiveness) whereas physical damage increases, thus the late gamer.
I'm putting it very generally. A late gamer usually has naturally high attack speed (high agility gains will usually signify a late gamer), and some have abilities that enhance physical damage (e.g. strafe or god's strength).
Saying an early gamer with good items can defeat a late gamer is like saying "I can beat Fatal1ty at quake if I take away his mouse" (I'm not actually sure if this is true, he might keyboard school me). Sure, you have a big advantage, that doesn't make Fatal1ty any less of a skilled player.
Or perhaps that was a failed analogy.

[azmi]

wow... thks alot guys!!

btw cn anyone teach me hw exactly 2 use this heroes [Eg: Combos,items to buy,tactics] below:
1]shadowfiend
2]Morphling
3]Silencer

thnks again guys :):fruitsex: :woot:

[DeaDGoD]

1. shadow fiend. go for loather 1st, den go for skadi.

2. skadi, linkern sphere, butterfly

3. gunisoo, skadi

[jay89]

hey!!! i got 1 question also..how come doom goes through bkb?tout bkb is already immute to magic?is that a bug or is it suppose to be like that?

[DeaDGoD]

its supposed to be like that doom still can be casted on the bkb user when in avatar mode. this is probably due to the reason tat doom is a ult.

[Ant]

All ultimates can be casted on Magic Immune units, and side effects (e.g. stun or purge) will also take effect.

I think I said that up there ^^
DoT (Damage over Time) is a side effect I think.

As for Shadowfiend, Morph, Silencer, the only one you can go one build with more than 90% of the time is the Morphling. Skadi is simply without much doubt the way to go for the morphling. Shadowfiend can go Skadi, Lothars, Butterfly, or Sange and Yasha. Silencer can opt to go Skadi before guinsoo or guinsoo before Skadi or euls then skadi without going for guinsoo.

[kKb]

Ant, I think it was a failed anology :p.

[Brts)sTyLe]

Ant i have read some of your post, if you compile them i bet you could sell them as "Dota 101" by ant

:D

[d0minic]

lol i feel enlightened by these posts

[theCarrot.stick]

hi im kinda new to dota n hope sum of u guys may help ans my qns below:

1]Can Vengeful actualli use Bkb to defeat luna's ulti?
2]Luna's items cud'nt be attack modifying items, then wats is her ideal items?
3]Stone giant cn actualli toss/stun rhasta's wards?
4]Vengeful is a early hero, so wat items r gd for her for a late game?
5]Rhasta is a spellcaster, bt y is his casting spell took quite long against other spell casters? [Eg=against a lion, my voodoo spell lose to his wen comes to casting it]
6]Is it possible to allow SA to use lothar edge since his ulti is invisi?
7]Wat are the best items for SA? because i been usin SA, n always i juz bought him butterfly n S n Y...
8]Wats the difference between an early hero n a late hero? i knew the basic tt late heroes win by late game... bt even early heroes, wen bought a heart or att modifying items/orbs like deso, they also cn defeat late heroes...

Hope my qns may be ans so tt i cud understand it all... i watched most replays here n i learn alot frm it all ... u guys r great :) :bananadoggywow:

1) Yes.... actuali her ulti wud only be useful if there's enigma or treant tt can hold the hero rooted for some time so even w/o bkb, u shud be able to survive late game with bracers unless u stand there and dun run....
2) i wud recommend dagger/radiance... once u haf radiance, farming with the aoe and glaive wud be easy...
3) i dun tink so... worth trying out ^^
4) usually in team games, vs wud go for bracers/sny bt if u r against pubbies and wish to have gay damage, u can go for burize and skadi/sny for slow..if u wan extra disable, u can go for guinsoo as well..
5) i tink it's the same, maybe becus of the movespeed or u r slow a few miliseconds?
6) it's like sa tking an invi rune, so he wud still be invi juz dat at the bot have the windwalk icon
7) skadi... recently i saw sum1 buying 2 butterfly... gay shit
8) early game heroes have to own the game or push as fast as possible, usually late game they can only supports so i wud recommend going for team build - guinsoo, meka or hp items to able to tank for ur teammates

[Captain.Dc]

2)caster moon get 1)boots 2)dagger 3)refresher 4)aghenimscepter
5)Linkin 6)butterfly
other fun builds get radiance, hand of midas, diffusalblade, manta, rapier/aeges,........

[amnesia]

blink rox!

[theCarrot.stick]

blink rox!

speaking bout blink i find it easier to blink when escaping using numpad 1 while it wud be easier to blink like cm to bite clicking the top left corner of the inventory

[`yxN]

Ant is such a nerd. Right Mr Bill Gates?

[BaByWizZieE]

1)bkb and block off all magical spell dmg even its ultimate but it cant block sth like swap
2)dmg (butterfly buriza) hp (secpter) killin runnin tools ( dagger boots of travel )
3)the stun cant destroy wards but the toss can
4)eos sny buriza butterfly (dmg stuff ) but its better if u get eos cux got + 25 to all stats and has slow effect
5)i think it is becux u click later than the lion O.o
6)waste of money?lol lothars for windwalk and invis but since ur permanent invis y get lothars
7)i seen ppl gettin basher too
8)early game = heros that can pwn others easily and haf good skills during lvl 6-10
late game = heros that need to max most stats to become stronger than can pawn other heros
but if u use early heros make sure u can pawn ppl and not feed cux most early heros are agi and int ( low hp ) to late game can modify them to battle types ( dmg items )

[BaByWizZieE]

wow... thks alot guys!!

btw cn anyone teach me hw exactly 2 use this heroes [Eg: Combos,items to buy,tactics] below:
1]shadowfiend
2]Morphling
3]Silencer

thnks again guys :):fruitsex: :woot:
lol..
sf=sny lothars eos butterfly threads
skills learn = anything u wan but add the dmg skill
morphing = eos boots of travel satanic
skills learn = i learn wave attribute till my eos out i change all strs to agi and learn the 2nd skill
silencer = guinsoo threads hyperstones for battlebuilds cux the glaives can go through armor very pain
skills learn = glave and anything u like xDDD

[theCarrot.stick]

wow... thks alot guys!!

btw cn anyone teach me hw exactly 2 use this heroes [Eg: Combos,items to buy,tactics] below:
1]shadowfiend
2]Morphling
3]Silencer

thnks again guys :):fruitsex: :woot:

sf -> sny/lothar
morph -> skadi
sil -> cyclone/gunsoo/necro

[Jabroni]

hi im kinda new to dota n hope sum of u guys may help ans my qns below:

1]Can Vengeful actualli use Bkb to defeat luna's ulti?
2]Luna's items cud'nt be attack modifying items, then wats is her ideal items?
3]Stone giant cn actualli toss/stun rhasta's wards?
4]Vengeful is a early hero, so wat items r gd for her for a late game?
5]Rhasta is a spellcaster, bt y is his casting spell took quite long against other spell casters? [Eg=against a lion, my voodoo spell lose to his wen comes to casting it]
6]Is it possible to allow SA to use lothar edge since his ulti is invisi?
7]Wat are the best items for SA? because i been usin SA, n always i juz bought him butterfly n S n Y...
8]Wats the difference between an early hero n a late hero? i knew the basic tt late heroes win by late game... bt even early heroes, wen bought a heart or att modifying items/orbs like deso, they also cn defeat late heroes...

Hope my qns may be ans so tt i cud understand it all... i watched most replays here n i learn alot frm it all ... u guys r great :) :bananadoggywow:

1. Yes
2. dagger/loathars/guinsoo or just damage like mkb/burize/bfly
3. no
4. skadi or sny with burize/bfly/mkb or some ppl like desolator.
5. cast time is the same.
6. thats just stupid. why would anyone do that?
7. u can try dual bashers with other stuff. or 1st item MOM. it works.
8. its how u play the hero.

[StripperA]

try lothars and blink on sa and post a serious thread with replay here, see what happens