Betting and Dota.

[markvon]

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Singapore - Recently MYM introduced XLBet as one of its main sponsors. As time went by, i realize that instead of pushing Dota higher up into the rungs of the Esports industry, it could very well crumble it.

Why do i say so? Using a system whereby you place bets on games using virtual money is fine. Because ultimately, you do not use any physically money, and regardless of the result, it does not affect your real life pocket in anyway. However, with the introduction of using real money to bet on Dota games, that could change drastically.

Many of the players in the scene range from their early teens to early twenties. These people, apart from playing for fame, also play because they truly enjoy the game. Now think about it. If there was real cold hard cash involved in an online game, and someone offers the player, say, $500 to 'throw' the match away, would he? Now i realise that i am being extremely controversial here, but i believe that there are people out there who would manipulate the system for the own benefit.

Real sports, like soccer have professional laws to keep them in check. For instance, if a soccer player is found guilty of 'kelong', he would be permanently banned from the sport by Fifa. Now lets say that a top player from a wellknown team gets caught for matchfixing a game. What could be done against him?

Currently, there are no esports laws or associations in place to execute any form of punishment of the player. Yes, no doubt that the player may get banned permanently from playing professional dota in say, MYM, but what is to stop him from playing with friends in local tournaments?

We see many matches played on IRC these days that have a side bet to it. Is it truly good for Dota?

[HeRo`]

On the current competitive DotA scene, the results of most of the matches are so predictable, betting is going to be so one-sided, it will die off eventually.

[kome]

so true!!!!!!!!!!

[yurec]

not true. as long there is money to be made, there will always be people trying gain advantage. Be it slight/major. So this betting ISN'T going to die off anywhere in the near further

Combine with the fact that no rules are keeping E-sport in check. Throwing games in winner brackets against big odd teams may very well be viable.



i sooo meant isnt.

[wakabake]

Actually no one will disagree with u regarding match fixing... almost everything u can BET on people tries to con your money. i won't say gambling with real money is going to be bad for the dota community in the long run or big picture. Like u say the guy could get banned at big tournament.. and so the guy goes on to play "fake matches" at "Tan & Tan Lanshop" dota tournament..(i know it don't sound nice..but who cares?)

+It don't take a rocket scientist to know.. there are high chances that match are being fixed once everybody realized...."hey...there are no rules or rules are full of loopholes to govern the players....they could be cheating our money."

regarding side bets...nothing much u can do about it.. even the law can't restrict u..People who like to side bet than they side bet laaAaa..

Anyway u don't necessary need to gamble on who wins....
soccer we can even gamble on who kick off first.... (first blood?)
how many red cards,yellow cards, corners. (how many kills?double kills?triple kills?)

humans are creative..We can even gamble on whether the next person who reply to this thread is male or female or even non. =)

[SG_Lancelot]

threads dat set people tinking.

2 thumbs up markvon.


for me gambling is a nono.

[Fa|x`†™]

Same for me. Betting is definitely too far off. Can't people just play dota for sheer fun? If money was involved, i think dota would not be as enjoyable for many. While playing the game, they will be constantly thinking about their money. This ruins the real purpose of playing computer games. Computer games are for de-stressing, not for stressing people up, panicking about the results of the game, especially when high stakes are involved.

I seriously think MYM should reconsider signing sponsor wif XLbet. An extra sponsor will definitely benefit MYM, but it might be a bane for the dota world when money comes involve.

Conclusion : Don't include money into dota. Money = Problems = Dota not fun
MAKE LOVE NOT WAR ><

[yurec]

U join compey for money no?
I seriously doubt it if any top teams tell me that they play for the glory.

[TruE]

sorry, in korea and china , computer games are treated as a profession , every game weighs heavily. MYM is based europe(dota) and china/korea(wc3/sc3) , therefore xlbet will benefit the striving pro-gamers there.

[[N]aS[QtPiE]]

Glory sounds so gory to DotA O__O .

I don't think the prize money is good enough to , say , cover daily expenses and stuff . It's more of the pride of the clan . I don't think anyone starts playing DotA thinking of money .


Edited: Koreans are mad RTS players especially SC . The phenomenon in Korea earns sponsorship from domestic companies there . I don't expect the same for SG and I think although it's the same as any other sports like soccer .. it'd never be officially recognised by WWOs .

[ChaosBeans]

Hey guys, just give my 2 cents worth...

I feel that betting would not be a big issue in Dota, or even any pro-gaming games. Why? I have a few theories to back this opinion.

1) In the serious gambling world, there are the few usual suspects as the main attention for their betting, those includes soccer and horse racing. These are considered main stream and those punters are mostly middle aged men who do not even know what Dota is. So I can safely say you will never see any gaming leagues in Singapore Pools betting options ever.

2) And even if there are people who are so obsessed with betting and somehow they are also involved in Dota, its close to impossible to ever stop anyone to bet among themselves on the matches.

But having said that, if there is ever a officially recognised association with a set of standard rules all players adhere to, official betting is actually crucial for pro gaming to fly to the sky and reach out to the stars. Sure, there will be harmful elements introduced like match fixing, unnecessary stress etc, but I believe the great positive effects will be much more than the negative ones.

Look at all the established team competitive sporting leagues/arenas, which one does not involve some sort of betting in it? Think about it.

[SG_Lancelot]

wad true said makes sense too.

betting will make the already very competitive gaming scene even more competitive. thus, it will make players strive to perform better.

but theres always 2 sides to a coins.

abusing this betting system, we will definitely see cases of match fixing, fake games making a much unneeded controversy for nothing.



for me, i rather keep gaming clean and betting free, i was never much in to soccer betting and buying 4D

[ruixiang]

Gaming used to be pure. Now it seems dumb. Lets see.. Matchfixing. I doubt players will be willing to lose to an opponent just because of a sponsor. Losing a game is equivalent to losing a fan. Thus, chances of getting even more sponsors reduced. Also, r u all sure that the company will fix matches? Probably not.

[quina]

if u have capital u can gamble if u dun u cant GG for you

[HiNerds]

i think i saw a similar article on sk-gaming's website hmm

[markvon]

In reply to the above poster, the article is written from scratch by myself. I did a check on the sk gaming website and discovered that although there is a similar article there, the contents are different.

if i drew inspiration or ideas from external sources, it will definetely be crediteD to them.

Here is the link for reference: http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/16786-is_dota_mature_enough_to_face betting

[GenGen.]

=) Betting is just a form of expression.

Once again, the resonance of card gambling exists in DotA. You play at a similar level of intensity as well as with the same stakes of pride and a possible loss of money.

Nevertheless, the odds of this gambling actually taking motion hardly ever exists. Many are either too fearful of the consequences of leaving their monitor or are simply saying that just to appear confident in their skills.

All being said, all games either computer or sports exists with a level of competition and animosity. Thus, it is why the term "to compete against is used so frequently". So why should DotA be any different? I personally feel that if someone is actually so confident of offering a prize money at lease have the nerve to follow up after putting up that show of pride and not simply toss away the issue with a simple, "What a waste of time."

Competitive sport guys. Take it by the balls or just shut it and play quietly. Don't stand on one end and act like you belong in the other.

[denioter]

=) Betting is just a form of expression.

Once again, the resonance of card gambling exists in DotA. You play at a similar level of intensity as well as with the same stakes of pride and a possible loss of money.

Nevertheless, the odds of this gambling actually taking motion hardly ever exists. Many are either too fearful of the consequences of leaving their monitor or are simply saying that just to appear confident in their skills.

All being said, all games either computer or sports exists with a level of competition and animosity. Thus, it is why the term "to compete against is used so frequently". So why should DotA be any different? I personally feel that if someone is actually so confident of offering a prize money at lease have the nerve to follow up after putting up that show of pride and not simply toss away the issue with a simple, "What a waste of time."

Competitive sport guys. Take it by the balls or just shut it and play quietly. Don't stand on one end and act like you belong in the other.


Im sorry but i beg to differ haha .

Look , Please try looking from another perspective there's a thing called Social responsibility which i feel it should be considered , yes of course betting could make dota more competitive but how about the effects that they have to the crowds ?

There are people that are aged 10- 18 that is playing dota , i am not trying to refer them as kids but the effects it has on them. Betting , has causes many families to go apart , can u imagine they steal their parents money just to make the game more "Competitive" and causing a harmonial breakdown to their family? and of course they can set a limit on 21 years old , but they can always ask their adult friends to bet for them more negative effects will come along as long as it involves money , maybe such as Extortion , illegal gambling etc, .

If gambling is imposed i really think that there will be more Cons than Pros as most gamers are actually still studying.

On the other hand , It would be a great leapt for the gaming industry.

Just my 2 cents worth of advice

Thanks,

mac

[GenGen.]

... Sadly, DotA gambling doesn't go much further then $1000... If thats what I gather at the very least. If that makes families break up then... Well obviously he was playing at a very high stake.

Simple concept anyway win big lose big. Why not gamble? (: Its actually 50/50 unless you get some imbalanced players which could make it 99/1

[SG_Lancelot]

"Its actually 50/50 unless you get some imbalanced players which could make it 99/1"

loled at that line. hahaha

[SkySkySky]

if it's 99/1 then the odds will be lower. can't really win big bucks

[denioter]

... Sadly, DotA gambling doesn't go much further then $1000... If thats what I gather at the very least. If that makes families break up then... Well obviously he was playing at a very high stake.

Simple concept anyway win big lose big. Why not gamble? (: Its actually 50/50 unless you get some imbalanced players which could make it 99/1

I'm not very sure of it but there will always be misleading to illegal gambling (soccer, basketball ?) , my defination of harmonial breakdown dont literally mean "families breakdown" as in communication and hormonial discord but of course those causes might just diversify as long as it involves cash , basically there are too many diversified negative effects to analyse i just hope the government would make a form of restriction to the people and maybe we should raise the awareness of this issue to other people.

[GenGen.]

I think we should UP THE STAKES!

ANYONE WANNA BET ON THE KILLS FOR THE NEXT MYM VP MATCH?

:D I offer 1:100 odds for the exact kill score HAHAHAHAHAH

Anyway, this is eventually going to lead nowhere because in actual fact, its all just for show. At lease 10 people have asked me for a "SIDEBET MATCH COME LAR" and yet none of them have actually followed up on that sequence...

Its just my thoughts but I personally wouldn't agree to such terms of meeting up with some peeps I just scolded online... Not very... feasible (: In terms of survival after the match...

[SG_Lancelot]

I think we should UP THE STAKES!

ANYONE WANNA BET ON THE KILLS FOR THE NEXT MYM VP MATCH?

:D I offer 1:100 odds for the exact kill score HAHAHAHAHAH

Anyway, this is eventually going to lead nowhere because in actual fact, its all just for show. At lease 10 people have asked me for a "SIDEBET MATCH COME LAR" and yet none of them have actually followed up on that sequence...

Its just my thoughts but I personally wouldn't agree to such terms of meeting up with some peeps I just scolded online... Not very... feasible (: In terms of survival after the match...

u still on wif the 1:100 odds for exact kill score?