Enigma-Sandking

[LoveLauR.X3]

Ive seen it much use, basically, enigma blinks and blackholes while sandking shakes his tail and epis. it does massive AOE damage and does own a lot of peple inside it. Ive only thought of 1 guy who can counter it well is silencer. but is there any other hero than can counter it without taking silencer. like i mean if walrock does get inside BH, it will die while if silencer, its a passive AOE(last word) that does the trick.

[applecats]

Ive seen it much use, basically, enigma blinks and blackholes while sandking shakes his tail and epis. it does massive AOE damage and does own a lot of peple inside it. Ive only thought of 1 guy who can counter it well is silencer. but is there any other hero than can counter it without taking silencer. like i mean if walrock does get inside BH, it will die while if silencer, its a passive AOE(last word) that does the trick.

i might be mistaken but i think the passive silence does not stop channelling spells anymore but it does prevent enigma from using ..er its 3rd skill. (is it called maladict?)

maybe techies would work against such a combination if you hang around stasis traps everywhere you go since it will cancel the blackhole should enigma blink in and does it. besides, you can scout them with your mines in advance so you can avoid the combo. prevention is better than countering

[Hebe]

Pugna's ward hurt enigma alot.

VS's swap can stop his tail while shaking.

[pRaYeR]

VS swap will be the main thing that will stop this 2 combo. Silencer is good, but it must stay in the base, can't engage. Pugna is good, but can't stop the combo. Es is good, but it is vulnerable and its an old school hero. 2 sec of enigma blackhole, u can disable it by using spells. However if sk get dagger, it would be kinda difficult as the engage is already messy.

[dunchbullyme]

yeah its good , but void + sk is also interesting

[King4hao]

for massive aoe,add in cm ftw

[tantk]

"maybe techies would work against such a combination if you hang around stasis traps everywhere you go since it will cancel the blackhole should enigma blink in and does it. besides, you can scout them with your mines in advance so you can avoid the combo. prevention is better than countering"

techie will work well with engima oso, black hole + static ward + remote + mine + suicide! :P

maybe tide hunter can counter this if not caught in the bh

[mango]

faceless void ultimate chronosphere could stop it if i m not wrong

[Blade_jianjie]

Ive seen it much use, basically, enigma blinks and blackholes while sandking shakes his tail and epis. it does massive AOE damage and does own a lot of peple inside it. Ive only thought of 1 guy who can counter it well is silencer. but is there any other hero than can counter it without taking silencer. like i mean if walrock does get inside BH, it will die while if silencer, its a passive AOE(last word) that does the trick.
using bkb or any avatar hero or item will be good

[LoveLauR.X3]

yeh but in clan matches, not everyone gets BKB. maybe only the late gamer like rifle,viper but other than that, the supporters will quickly die from this combo so if an enigma is good and he can blink right inside and catch all 5, thats a GG for you. and besides, the BH aoe is actually larger than what the animation shows o_O

[charaeb]

i prefer enigma rk and vs sk (:

[DarK)MaG3]

Just cyclone the enigma, u still can cyclone despite being blackholed.

[xkyox]

a BKBED Enigma is a God.

[LoveLauR.X3]

o_o YEH but enigma's life is paper o.O

[LoveLauR.X3]

yehj o_O but some just split, its hard to get all 5 =)

[siicklyretarded]

yse sniper and shoot them see lucky or not.

[LoveLauR.X3]

LOL RIght o_O bkbed sniper still go inside o_O

[LoveLauR.X3]

whats all with the CAPS? too much too drink on a friday night? o_O

[weee]

Nopz Ain't Drunk..
Becuz..
Caps For The Win..that's Why Caps Simple

[LoveLauR.X3]

hearts and banana o_O cute =p

[LoveLauR.X3]

@_@ bah how to do o_O

[LoveLauR.X3]

the banana-in-pajamas- icons o_O

[elvinltl]

Lame sia. It's a pre-avaliable animation.

O yea? SK and Enigma are gay? I've seen before SK + Enigma + CM + Earthshaker + Luna. It's pure pwnage.

Enigma dagger in Blackhole, CM dagger freezing field, SK stun in earthquake, ES enter to use his ultimate. After all creeps is cleared, any heros trying to escape will get stunned by ES Fissure /CM Bite/SK Stun/Enigma Malifice. Then Luna pours her divine eclipse on the half-dead heros.

[tempura]

silencer will do the job pretty well .

[siicklyretarded]

a can of Insecticide will too.

[LoveLauR.X3]

u guys forgot about the "ring" too? o_O

[WoShiMutton]

Lame sia. It's a pre-avaliable animation.

O yea? SK and Enigma are gay? I've seen before SK + Enigma + CM + Earthshaker + Luna. It's pure pwnage.

Enigma dagger in Blackhole, CM dagger freezing field, SK stun in earthquake, ES enter to use his ultimate. After all creeps is cleared, any heros trying to escape will get stunned by ES Fissure /CM Bite/SK Stun/Enigma Malifice. Then Luna pours her divine eclipse on the half-dead heros.

Its written so nice on paper but in fact, totally useless in matches.

I doubt ur ES engima or cm can farm a dagger and seriously underleveled when enemy pushes in lol.

And if we see a draft like that, we wont be engaging 5v5, 2 - 2 - 1 or 3 -2 push already. or just drag game till late, then all ur heroes are totally useless once we farmed enough for bkb.

[LoveLauR.X3]

that is IF you can survive till late game o_O

[elvinltl]

You thiok stun by es/sk/tiny can still BkB meh. Btw, you thiok forstbite can still cast spells or activate iems?

But i've done that with my frens for fun before. Kind of gay and fun.

[LoveLauR.X3]

whee yeh o_O its just well rigged!

[AhCat]

use morphling and replicate heroes for the enemy to combo. make them waste ultis and manas and stuff then ambush them or smt. though easier said than done lol

[Archdevilasd]

whee yeh o_O its just well rigged!

not rigged la..

frost bite.. always been liddat.. frost bite = entangling roots.. only canot attack what.. spells can still be cast and active items can still be activated except for dagger..

[Archdevilasd]

Use void with slardar.. a new combo i keep trying..
bash lock Or...

[AhCat]

killz0r introduced a new build. troll with 6 basher cause 15%+15%+15%+15%+15%+15%=105%. those are killz0r numbers. i call that overstun.

[AhCat]

not rigged la..

frost bite.. always been liddat.. frost bite = entangling roots.. only canot attack what.. spells can still be cast and active items can still be activated except for dagger..

entangling lina is quite funny- she doesn't have to go over to you to stunslavecomboblade. saves walking distance sometimes.

[AhCat]

omg........... !!!!! perma stun!
it's overstun! killz0rish lol

[AhCat]

of course cannot overstun lol... or blinking heroes or naga will ggclient them

[miah121]

The Enigma+Sand king combo is very powerful. My friend and I use it all the time. If done properly, it can cripple WHOLE teams.

[AhCat]

If there is an enemy silencer i think it'll be kinda hard.

[Archdevilasd]

The Enigma+Sand king combo is very powerful. My friend and I use it all the time. If done properly, it can cripple WHOLE teams.

some heros are already crippled

if you all take a gd look at heros like Rhasta , pudge and bone..
they walk around staggering..

[Archdevilasd]

or maybe they just trying to act seh.. you know how some ah bengs like to walk with their hands suaying.. makes them look fearsome and seh..

[TurtleContient]

You guys should try out ChronoSphere and Excorism. Cute and Cuddly.

[AhCat]

cuddly...lol!

[qwerty]

barney = cuddly. ha

[WoShiMutton]

that is IF you can survive till late game o_O

With Crystal maiden, ES, engima and SK i got seriously no idea how you can push in when opponents engage in all diff direction.

That combi is pretty much useless, that is why in matches you dont see pple picking ES or CM or even engima anymore. around 2 heroes have AOE skills is enough, having all 5 heroes with AOE is bad.

[w4ndeRz-]

Just draft a zeus lor. So easy. One wrath > all =X

[Archdevilasd]

choose omni loa naix void.. all these to fight aoe so aoe not much effect

[luffy05]

the thing abt mass aoe heros is to push together early
start pushing at lvl 6...
at this low lvl, the opp team dont stand much chance with their low hp and no items support.

a team of stunner or/and disabler should counter this mass aoe combo

[ll_]

Actually only One or Two Mass AOE damage heroes is enough, rest of the team should have one or two tankers and one or two late gamers.

[xpireD]

more wards would help.
then the team could run around catching hero, while one or 2 farm.
then rotate or something.
basically,
once you overlevel opponent=G_G

[Archdevilasd]

witch doctor: death ward..
veno : plague ward
ss : mass serpent ward
hospital ward

[ll_]

more wards would help.
then the team could run around catching hero, while one or 2 farm.
then rotate or something.
basically,
once you overlevel opponent=G_G

Nah, i've been in a match with my team where our opponants played 1-1-3 at the start and kept on killing and killing going around from time to time trying to gang single heros to death but in the long run, thier level and items were shitty and we won.

[pRaYeR]

zeus veno. its gd enuf. or sk and thd

[MaNtA.]

Enigma is so paper no1 drafts it nowadays anymore.

[ll_]

Enigma is not an easy hero, the person must really know how to use it as the whole team is counting on your blackhole.

[pRaYeR]

if u used all these heroes, u can pray for gg
y i can pray for gg? positive or negative?

[xpireD]

more wards would help.
then the team could run around catching hero, while one or 2 farm.
then rotate or something.
basically,
once you overlevel opponent=G_G

while one or 2 farm, then rotate or something.
and enigma is still quite common in drafts. It's not as unused as old draft heros like sniper and kotl. :Banane10:

[quincyzzx]

enigma is 100 dollar walking around the whole map....

[KCobain]

1 hero- purist.heal and repel so epi does no shit.

[d0minic]

If both heroes could pull off. it works well !

[MaNtA.]

yea in my opinion sandking shld go sandstorm,stats,sandstorm,stats,sandstorm all the way and enigma Midnight Pulse,stats,Midnight Pulse,stats,Midnight Pulse yeah thats AOE proness, den u call ur opponent on the phone and scream into his ears,he gets into a state of shock, sandking move beside him sandstorm and enigma midnight pulses the area , wow damn pain- instant death.

[d0minic]

whats ur problem ? spamming useless stuff in different threads

[AhCat]

lol dominic u referring to who?

[AhCat]

uh..... LOL!
i think dominic got something against manta lol

[MaNtA.]

o.o thecarrotstick so MANly
sticking up for me thxthx.

[Dois]

Hey you guys can't judge Manta like that. You people make me sick. You have to understand what a true pro does. Now here is an example of what a true pro (ME) would do.

You add Caustic Finalé and stats for sandking.

Casutic helps you farm and stats help you live longer.

Lets Recap: - I = pro
- U = suk

ok so now for enigma

What enigma needs is a good CONVERSION BUILD.

what you do is buy 6 chickens. then you bring them out to the battlefield and COVERT THEM ALL!! remember - conversion is for pros only

lets recap Again: me = pro u = not. So listen to me. If you fail to do so, you are a moron.

And all of you are there need more brains. Really

some of you are exempted from moronism. Like Manta. As for the rest of you. You all suck. F*** u

[MaNtA.]

Yes Dois is da MAN. ( ;

[d0minic]

okay wtf. we are trying to be serious here can u all post sensible posts ? stop saying u are a pro Dois . zz

[KCobain]

Dois is some kind of retard? or was he high when he replied?

[KCobain]

he is check it out


he is check it out? meaning?

[AhCat]

CHECKITOUT was funny too he as like on crack or something.

[xpireD]

Hey you guys can't judge Manta like that. You people make me sick. You have to understand what a true pro does. Now here is an example of what a true pro (ME) would do.

You add Caustic Finalé and stats for sandking.

Casutic helps you farm and stats help you live longer.

Lets Recap: - I = pro
- U = suk

ok so now for enigma

What enigma needs is a good CONVERSION BUILD.

what you do is buy 6 chickens. then you bring them out to the battlefield and COVERT THEM ALL!! remember - conversion is for pros only

lets recap Again: me = pro u = not. So listen to me. If you fail to do so, you are a moron.

And all of you are there need more brains. Really

some of you are exempted from moronism. Like Manta. As for the rest of you. You all suck. F*** u

now this guy's funny!
Lets Recap: - I = pro
- U = suk
PRICELESS.
ban his ass before he kills me with laughter. :bananapowerslide: :bananapowerslide:

[SGDOTWENG]

dois's dota is leet.

[AhCat]

nah checkitout's better lol

[AhCat]

that's why i shall collect all the good guides in the forums and be the king of guides! GGbranches!

[AhCat]

LOL that'll be good! OR a guide on how to walk to mid lane from base

[k n i g h t]

Ive seen it much use, basically, enigma blinks and blackholes while sandking shakes his tail and epis. it does massive AOE damage and does own a lot of peple inside it. Ive only thought of 1 guy who can counter it well is silencer. but is there any other hero than can counter it without taking silencer. like i mean if walrock does get inside BH, it will die while if silencer, its a passive AOE(last word) that does the trick.

no best is rhasta and sk together...
RIGHT ALVIN? hehehe

[quincyzzx]

all walk separate or swap enigma kill 1st?????

[blahblahblah]

when engage all stand serpare l0r..

[d0minic]

wards. dun give enigma a chance to blink in

try and draft vs or ? bkb and chiong them

[Reya]

no best is rhasta and sk together...
RIGHT ALVIN? hehehe

nothing to say you but only these few words.

please use your brain to think harder, n00b.

no offense, and i meant what i said.

[blahblahblah]

nothing to say you but only these few words.

please use your brain to think harder, n00b.

no offense, and i meant what i said.
don sc0ld ppl noob lehx =/

[blahblahblah]

so hurtful =/

[d0minic]

why rhasta and RK cannot.

[Reya]

RHASTA is only for ONE. it cannot mass hold too much unless you are like, train your ward trapping to a 100% successful trapping then ok, so you ward-trap one, shackles one, hex one, SK go epic. ok thats good, but seriously you think you got the chance to do that ? Ok im sorry i called you a n00b, anyway Rhasta and RK/SK are most propably for those to ****, but not MASS ****.
Hope it helps o.o
Sorry if you think im noob then

[quincyzzx]

rhasta good leh.... i put my ward at base u dare come???

[blahblahblah]

why not????? rmb someone rhasta wardd trap himself when farming neutral creep den blink out. lOL

[quincyzzx]

not mi ....u ah???????????

[blahblahblah]

_l_ tat ah gua lar

[theCarrot.stick]

has anyone thot of bear + loa?

[Archdevilasd]

whao so amny pros here ...
please flame my strat too..
I would like to use slardar void

[quincyzzx]

_l_ tat ah gua lar
at the veri least he can ward trap him veri beautifully can u???? i admire his ward trapping lor....

[xianzai92]

has anyone thot of bear + loa?

Yeah its a gd combo using the apnotic shield on the bear and the bear going against the tower and BOOM its GONE BABY !

[quincyzzx]

Yeah its a gd combo using the apnotic shield on the bear and the bear going against the tower and BOOM its GONE BABY !
loa go wif who aso can ma....uber support ....go c taxis loa...lvl 1 all clarity...

[theCarrot.stick]

loa go wif who aso can ma....uber support ....go c taxis loa...lvl 1 all clarity...

bt at least with syllabear can let the bear tk some damage and the bear can chase oso, u can almost do nth but to run and u mite gt rooted

[quincyzzx]

i personalily dun suggest slyabear wif loa....too risky.....

[LoveLauR.X3]

loa is just uber toober youtuber support

[k n i g h t]

nothing to say you but only these few words.

please use your brain to think harder, n00b.

no offense, and i meant what i said.

Aiya u dun know what ur talking about la... last time me n lovelaur used to play 2v5 for fun on bnet. i would use sk and he would use rhasta... ffs must call ppl noob, make trouble only one lor...

[quincyzzx]

wow.....0.o.....i nvr had tis kind of experience b4....

[blahblahblah]

i personalily dun suggest slyabear wif loa....too risky.....
where gt risky??? BUT LAO WIF QOP BTR.

[quincyzzx]

where gt risky??? BUT LAO WIF QOP BTR.
risky ltr the big bear hungry he go take honey eat then bcme pooh bear ....pooh bear hav 0 damage n onli smile n say woo woo woo...n if u r on the sentinel side then gg liao cos loa frem scourge de...he will betray u noe?? yeah loa n qop make good couples .....^^

[blahblahblah]

wtf WINNIE THE POOH.

[BaByWizZieE]

i think es can counter?..

the echo can use when tio suck?

and learn aftershock then enigma tio stun le..

or use vs to swap sk

[Reya]

Aiya u dun know what ur talking about la... last time me n lovelaur used to play 2v5 for fun on bnet. i would use sk and he would use rhasta... ffs must call ppl noob, make trouble only one lor...

if you would think, those words you said is the one which starts your "trouble"

[LoveLauR.X3]

Aiya u dun know what ur talking about la... last time me n lovelaur used to play 2v5 for fun on bnet. i would use sk and he would use rhasta... ffs must call ppl noob, make trouble only one lor...


LOL i dont remmber playing a lot of rhasta nor did i play with u or

[quincyzzx]

LOL i dont remmber playing a lot of rhasta nor did i play with u or
lol...pawned......

[k n i g h t]

LOL i dont remmber playing a lot of rhasta nor did i play with u or

not u lauren... alvin... but den i again i forgot... alvin doesnt use dotasg much...

[snowflakefairy]

just buy linkens vanguard and bkb can liao!

[xianzai92]

no nid linken 1 lah .. juz bkb can liao.

[d0minic]

okay. i also agree getting bkb is good choice too

[Reya]

argh, thread digger.. haha... XD

yes yes bkb good choice !

[quincyzzx]

bkb aso suck ....^^...linken i not sure....

[w4ndeRz-]

dagger ftw....

[xianzai92]

bt 2 v 5 lyk dam useless and waste leh .......................

[aspirex]

a BKBED Enigma is a God.
paper god:banane58:

[xArcHx]

lol clan leader lovelaur.x3 abandon clan ox3o sia,haha i play clan match with clan ox3o b4

[xArcHx]

we lost but it was a close match

[shinigami-boy]

haah the tag is good but there is still one more tag teams partner bane is very gay if anyhero in that lane sure die

[<3dwarf]

thread digger.... o.O

[StripperA]

bane enig la..two friends

[s[ky]h4rtx]

a silencer pawns

[<3dwarf]

bane and enig are legendary 1v1 hero

[StripperA]

they are brothers..

[KcP.šìç[k]™]

i tot enigma n morphling are brother

[kimpi]

noobshiet all... bth

[<3dwarf]

i thot kimpi is the best?

[StripperA]

yeah hes the best in sg

[kimpi]

:Banane16:

[ruixiang]

lol the banana ... imba ... banana + banana = ultimate combo xD

[StripperA]

banana in pajamas

[princeed]

hmm.. back to the topic o.0 Blue ranger is to b feared as if i remembered correctly.. even if u BKB-ed.. you'll still get stuck in the hole -,- nevertheless.. even though u wun b tankin the dmg of black hole and epi.. but wat if there's an rk wif GS instead.. GG-fied.. in short.. there's zero% chance to escape if Blue ranger manage to execute the blink+bh, bkb+bh, lothar+bh or even walk in and bh combo.. mayb the only chances are Silencer(last word) and Spectre(Dispersion).. or only kuku methods like Tormented Soul where u can Pulse Nova the hell out of Blue ranger.. furthermore Blue ranger is paper and Pulse Nova might even cause yr oppentant to click on creeps instead(too bright liao) :D or Visage to return the dmg back(Gravekeeper's Cloak) and usin revenants as observer wards.. basically.. just dun stick together like glue ba^^ and gank Enigma whenever possible.. he/she has an patheic movespeed of only 290(third slowest hero) and str growth of only 2.1 per lvl :x teamwork is more important then anything else (: and of course a zero second lag would b preferred too :P

[StripperA]

hahahaha ceedy loves blue ranger too much but cannot get to use ^^

[kimpi]

hmm.. back to the topic o.0 Blue ranger is to b feared as if i remembered correctly.. even if u BKB-ed.. you'll still get stuck in the hole -,- nevertheless.. even though u wun b tankin the dmg of black hole and epi.. but wat if there's an rk wif GS instead.. GG-fied.. in short.. there's zero% chance to escape if Blue ranger manage to execute the blink+bh, bkb+bh, lothar+bh or even walk in and bh combo.. mayb the only chances are Silencer(last word) and Spectre(Dispersion).. or only kuku methods like Tormented Soul where u can Pulse Nova the hell out of Blue ranger.. furthermore Blue ranger is paper and Pulse Nova might even cause yr oppentant to click on creeps instead(too bright liao) :D or Visage to return the dmg back(Gravekeeper's Cloak) and usin revenants as observer wards.. basically.. just dun stick together like glue ba^^ and gank Enigma whenever possible.. he/she has an patheic movespeed of only 290(third slowest hero) and str growth of only 2.1 per lvl :x teamwork is more important then anything else (: and of course a zero second lag would b preferred too :P
waaa seh... pro leh.. talk till wu lai wu ke...:Banane35:

[princeed]

ers.. wat's "wu lai wu ke" o.0 wo blur liao seh >.<

[<3dwarf]

lols... kimpi's dictionary

[darkillidan]

i guess theres a no perfected strategy. enigma is good no doubt, but people has suggested so many ways to counter enigma. however, i feel that theres way to counter the counters too. if people dont gather, force them to gather etc. its just my 2 cents. IMHO, i feel that no draft is too good, only bad drafts. eventually, all strategies will be outdated since people will think of the counters, and few will be reused again to counter the counter. there're too many ways.

and even if Team A picks hero to counter team B, like what you all have said, i still think that gameplay, teamwork and experiences is the one that matters. team B can easily win team A despite the equality of skill if team B make 1 minor mistake in a win-lose situation. dota is all unpredictable. ask the top clans when they loses, most likely the few mistakes, rather than the drafts. except, that if its too poorly draft, then 3 lanes will be owned. imo, like the cm enigma strat. too paper. anyway, everything is just my thoughts and what my experience tells me. correct me if i'm wrong.

[StripperA]

lol cm enigma = paper

beastmaster+alchemist = dictionary