Magic Stick

[DOTASG_PAPA]

Latest version, there is a buff which make the charge increase to 15 from originally 12. But does not seems to help a lot.

So anyone actually buy this item at all, or you would rather waste the gold on something else?

[dreamchazer]

I buy magic stick every single game. Sometimes having 10 charges, 150mp can enable a skeleton king to reincarnate or to throw another stun.

[Deadpeng]

This is yet another item that can be will very useful in draft game but not public game. You need a lane mate who is willing to cast spells. However, 210 is still too expensive as starting item. Many heroes spend that amount on tangoes and clarity potion and need not buy anymore healing items once they start ganking.

[Gallant]

You can buy the magic stick at the secret shops at the side lanes.

[DOTASG_PAPA]

But my experience is early game seldom you have more than 10 charges, mid/late game even you can get 15 charge, your would have something more superior than that.

[Gallant]

I thought Magic stick max 10 charges only? Each charge heals 15 hp and mana.

[dreamchazer]

Use it in times of emergency, don't use it as a form of regen.
Papa, the buff was the increase of hp/mp healed from 12 to 15.
The maximum charge was decreased from the original 12 to 10.
Old version heals --> 12x12 = 144
New buffed version heals --> 10x15 = 150
Magic stick saves lives. For example, a manaless QOP can be saved by a 4 charge magic stick =).

[DOTASG_PAPA]

Opps, my bad. I got it wrong.

My point is still same, early game hard to get 10 charges and late game it's a little weak compare to item like bottle which can be easily obtained if you need a life boost. By then you should be able to earn gold for many of the other more ex and powerful mana/life boost item.

Of course the bottle boost if hit will be terminated and is over time. But it has three charges and can hold rune.

So it means the stick is like a fun item than a tournament/draft level item.

Of cause papa might be wrong. So share more experience in using this cute new item.

[StripperA]

the magic stick really magic, save my hero life so many time..might be better than bottle

[guoheng]

the magic stick is accumulate all the charges den use all at 1 go, or 1 charge by 1 charge use 1?

[Gallant]

Use all at one go.

[shadower]

i still prefer bottle more regen and magic stick nid some time to collect charges

[FIZ.]

magic stick is cool! but imagine if u're solo laning and ur opponent is sniper. X_X.

[dreamchazer]

magic stick is cool! but imagine if u're solo laning and ur opponent is sniper. X_X.

huh, y sniper?

[HeRo`]

huh, y sniper?

Because the Dwarven Sniper doesn't casts any skills during early game which doesn't add charges to the Magic Stick.

[beanie-]

i got real life magic stick

[-Wi†CHKinG-]

magicc stick gd against the nc which can heal. dun ever kill tat thing lol and u can have perma charges

[Deadpeng]

Because the Dwarven Sniper doesn't casts any skills during early game which doesn't add charges to the Magic Stick.

huh??? magic stick charges when allied heroes use a spell not opponent hero....

[dreamchazer]

huh??? magic stick charges when allied heroes use a spell not opponent hero....

Opponents got..
From 6.55 Changelog :
Magic Stick:
============
Cost: 210 Gold
Energy Charge (Does not stack)
When enemy or ally (not self) casts a spell around you (1400), you gain 1
charge. Maximum 12 charges.(Now 10) When you cast the item, you instantly regenerate
12 hp and 12 mana for each charge. (Now 15 for ea)
This does not trigger off of non-spells or attack orbs

[Deadpeng]

oops oops...

[`Bendan:D]

magicc stick gd against the nc which can heal. dun ever kill tat thing lol and u can have perma charges

true. NCer. shld get and try.
kill the other 2 troll. kill other nc. need life/mana go pppunch tat troll healer. he heal himself = u get charge = healing u

[guoheng]

i got real life magic stick

me too. :Banane26:

[FIZ.]

wow the nc thing is cool @_@

[StripperA]

me too. :Banane26:

my one charging now dunno when gonna use =)

[Gallant]

Yes, the nc trick is cool.

[StripperA]

just realize magic stick kinda counters bb..he spray spray spray help u charge sia

[SG_Lancelot]

i bought magic stick in a game. then sold it shortly after. =X like nt very effective leh for me.

[dreamchazer]

The NC trick doesn't work...

[ArchMage.XL]

i got real life magic stick

LOL! wad the hell beanie. i noe wad u mean.
btw magic stick is good if u're laning against zeus in earli game

[SkySkySky]

i got real life magic stick too.

[Gallant]

Magic stick can save your life.

[flamezz]

i also real life magic stick, and i think STRONGEST LOLS

[Gallant]

NPNT. (No picture no talk)

[Sapphiro]

My instinct tells me that BB is gonna be back in the draft world with this item. :bananajump:

[Gallant]

Why will he be back in the draft world with this item? -.- Ownself use spell doesn't increase the magic stick's charge leh.

[FatE]

teammates use spell also no use,only enemy use then got charge

[dRaGoN]

woa woa like that PA BB lane together both buy stick o_o SPAMMAGE

[Gallant]

woa woa like that PA BB lane together both buy stick o_o SPAMMAGE

..... Did you read the other posts before posting?

[FatE]

..... Did you read the other posts before posting?

I think he did not......

[Deadpeng]

Magic stick and the dust of appearance are really a bit weak, more and more using invis heroes because of weaker sentry wards now. Icefrog do something TT

[Gallant]

The dust is quite good what.

[Ohboe]

dust imba, walking sentry ward for 12 secs, opponent cant run.

[FatE]

dust only can reveal invis hero right? can reveal sentry wards anot huh? lol

[SoloZ-]

Reveal invis units :)

[[N]aS[QtPiE]]

15mana/15health per opponent cast.. The item was aimed at early-mid phase of the game but it doesn't seem to be cost-savvy at all.

Laning phase.. do the math for regen:gold with tango/bottle with clarity against stick...

One look @ it and you can say this is an item which value requires prolong use before being deem fit to be worth your bucks ( or gold in this case ).. Yet it's only efficient during early-mid..

.____.?? Ain't that confusing, just have to try the item for a few items and see for yourself, but the above is solely my opinion from using it thrice.

[Deadpeng]

Anyone agrees dust of appearance underpowered as well? it costs nearly the same as wards but lasts only 12 secs, the only tracking benefit doesnt seem worthwhile.

[Justinny]

yeah but it allows chasing. Take for example bh and bone. They have imba speed after track or after windwalk. You think they gonna stay there to fight you? Dust allows you to have 12 seconds to finish them off while chasing. Reasonable enough, considering they dun have much hp to tank strong nukes.

[[N]aS[QtPiE]]

I still use Dust of Appearance for revealing invisible units though.

180 gold cheaper by 20 gold leh. Mb Lycanthrope-user against the horde of players who rush Lorthar's Edge, very handy.

[dRaGoN]

btw sentry wards truesight range nerfed...its super uber short now and you gonna have to spam it to reveal long distances -_- makes dust of appearance abit more worth it :D

[[N]aS[QtPiE]]

Lol, duration as well... think it pretty much can be used against heroes like Brood/NA/SA for incoming ganks.. else mainly for de-warding on the rune cliffs ( right.. )

BH and BC are like Balloons-on-helium to grab...

Now ward stock are also super limited.. That's why I think 6.56 is the best version since 6.48.. more variety, more choices.

[Deadpeng]

so right now the new concept is that since dust and sentry all have very limited time and costs, killing any invisible hero requires cost. In that case I would like to try convince icefrog to ensure invisible heroes must naturally be weaker heroes so that it is still fair trade. Treant and broodmama are those that are quite useful even if considered without invis

[StripperA]

now i play invisible hero i always forget about the dust..then i wonder how the f i die lol

[dRaGoN]

now i play invisible hero i always forget about the dust..then i wonder how the f i die lol

it will appear under your stats bar just like in standard games

[StripperA]

but dust is gd for fast chasers like bounty and sa

[-MyWishIsToDie-]

best is still getting a gem of true sight :)

[Gallant]

best is still getting a gem of true sight :)

Talk only, you ownself also keep spam sentry and don't get gem. :Banane27::Banane27:

[-MyWishIsToDie-]

ok la, see the gameplay, if ur rich and don die easily den buy a gem :)

[Deadpeng]

actually now i feel that the best counter invis is not any item but treant protector. Would you want to spend 200 bucks for 3minutes minor aoe detection or would you exhaust one level of skill growth for permanent detection in a large area which expands in area as the game proceeds?

[[N]aS[QtPiE]]

so right now the new concept is that since dust and sentry all have very limited time and costs, killing any invisible hero requires cost. In that case I would like to try convince icefrog to ensure invisible heroes must naturally be weaker heroes so that it is still fair trade. Treant and broodmama are those that are quite useful even if considered without invis

Lol, if that really happens... I think Slardar's value will skyrocket. No need to play Sentry war. -Armor on all the nerfed invis hero.

Anyways, I've only seen NA and Treant being the first 2 frequent nominees(invis skillset) in competitive scene and the impact won't be that big. But that can't be told until experimented I guess.

[Zc`]

actually now i feel that the best counter invis is not any item but treant protector. Would you want to spend 200 bucks for 3minutes minor aoe detection or would you exhaust one level of skill growth for permanent detection in a large area which expands in area as the game proceeds?

treant's eye is not that strong for reveal invis because the opponent might suddenly decide that u have too much map sight and get a bird with 20 trees and woohoo there goes ur maphack

[StripperA]

ya it can't see invisible unit..last time broodmother web can..now can't le =(

[-MyWishIsToDie-]

slardar is still the best hero to counter invis units

[StripperA]

and with right items can kill int hero like tinker in 3 hit lol

[DrakaN]

magic stick rocks on tankers.

[kakaboo]

i still get this item sometimes whenever i feel like it and it really helped me a lot , especially on heroes with a low mana pool yet require a lot of mana

[MyING]

i dun see ppl buy this item

[ace[lily]]

slardar is still the best hero to counter invis units


bh is also good. (:

[SoloZ-]

Nerubian weaver? watchers also can see invis units.

[kakaboo]

Nerubian weaver? watchers also can see invis units.

cannot la wtf

[Townes]

NW is only moving wards. :) Still prefer Visage if you want to use watchers to Raise Revenants.

[DOTASG_PAPA]

Nerubian weaver? watchers also can see invis units.

Yeah, the watchers cannot see invis lah. They are like moving observer wards.

[kakaboo]

NW is only moving wards. :) Still prefer Visage if you want to use watchers to Raise Revenants.

yeah ppl get radiance everytimenowadays just walk past ur watcher die liao.. dont even know wat happened. at least the bird still will survive and you get the 'your unit are under attack' warning

[Littleman]

Watcher that one is for ladder, can see invis.
on topic, magic stick is a lame item. No one uses it.

[MyING]

maybe need buff it then ppl will use

[kakaboo]

maybe need buff it then ppl will use

na i use it sometimes .. quite often though , but i always hold it till i get to my lane. if my lane has heroes like zeus or BB, then i can easily get the magic stick from the secret shop.. it helps a lot early game in being aggresive

[BugsBunny]

man just use magic stick to kite oppo, works well if ur a ranged spellcaster

[JTJY]

the heal like little leh. i dunno why i use it like useless. mayb i nooblol

[SoloZ-]

I think magic stick is good in escape situations where u are left with a tint of health u can mass click it to heal up.

[DOTASG_PAPA]

I think magic stick is good in escape situations where u are left with a tint of health u can mass click it to heal up.

Yes, you are right in that. Sometimes when you are in such situation then you look, wow your stick got charges. Hurray, you live to tell the story for another day.

:D

[BugsBunny]

magic stick is the next imba item use it well :D

[YupiGummyBear]

i find it not very practical actually... @@ never bought it before. lol. but i must agree it has the potential to perform a miracle.

[AiShiTeRu]

i find it not very practical actually... @@ never bought it before. lol. but i must agree it has the potential to perform a miracle.

There can be miracles
When you believe (When you believe)
Though hope is frail
It's hard to kill

Who knows what miracles
You can achieve (You can achieve)
When you believe
Somehow you will
You will when you believe

[YupiGummyBear]

....
whats that.

[SoloZ-]

There can be miracles
When you believe (When you believe)
Though hope is frail
It's hard to kill

Who knows what miracles
You can achieve (You can achieve)
When you believe
Somehow you will
You will when you believe

LOL kelvin nice song by Mariah carey and whitney houston "When You Believe"

[BugsBunny]

omg? what has that got to do with magic stick ;p

[JTJY]

meaning that if theres magic stick there will be miracales.

[dreamchazer]

Magic stick is very useful on certain heroes, at least for me.

[BugsBunny]

hi, i just played a weird pub game against backspace, magic stick against kotl bb works wonders.

[dnalor-]

magic stick is great for low life/low mana heroes. very handy to have.

[Rundevil]

wat is the max charge for the magic stick?

[BugsBunny]

magic stick is just majorly imbalanced as a 200 gold item and particularly effective on dota players who has the entity with starting letter being B and ending letter being s. (hint it seems every has it but no one uses it)

[dnalor-]

10 charges = 150 hp/150 mana!

[BugsBunny]

10 charges = 150hp! which is half of bolt dmg! imbalanced!

[Gallant]

10 charges = 150hp! which is half of bolt dmg! imbalanced!

You or your ally eat 10 spells and you heal 150 hp! IMBA!

[JTJY]

eh if got like 3 charge= 3x15 = 45 hp only right?

[BugsBunny]

yesss. but its still IMBA! as a 200 gold item!

[dnalor-]

eh if got like 3 charge= 3x15 = 45 hp only right?

ya. 45 hp and mana.

[JTJY]

ahh no wonder i alwaysd heal so little now i get it

[BugsBunny]

ah yes dnalor the theory god.

[ZiXiang123]

magic stick ftw in clashes u get alot of charge , good if ur opponent is zeus in early games

[Garey]

magic stick ftw.

[Valentin0z]

As Loda said when magic stick was invented, there are many uses for magic stick, not just for the healing.
For example, if a kotl illuminates u from the fog, ur magic stick charge will go up, notifying u.
When NA vendettas near u (As most NA would), ur magic stick will also come in very handy to get ur ass out of trouble.
IMO, i only get magic stick if my opponents (in lane usually) are spammers or have such special spells that can be "tracked" as listed above.

[DOTASG_PAPA]

As Loda said when magic stick was invented, there are many uses for magic stick, not just for the healing.
For example, if a kotl illuminates u from the fog, ur magic stick charge will go up, notifying u.
When NA vendettas near u (As most NA would), ur magic stick will also come in very handy to get ur ass out of trouble.
IMO, i only get magic stick if my opponents (in lane usually) are spammers or have such special spells that can be "tracked" as listed above.

Indeed, that's highest level of DotA gameplay. Smart use of magic stick to detect hidden heroes casting spell. Kudos.

[StripperA]

dunno, i feel's its a waste of gold..bottle is better

[DestinyT]

The Stick does create mind games too though..
To spam or not to spam..
To let my opponent heal or not heal..
Is my opponent observant enough to notice me wind walking in the fog.
Should i cast a spell in the fog..

[BradPitt`xoxo]

only use magic stick if im playing against a zeus

OR

im using a hero who has lack of mana but does really use mana that often e.g. x

OR

im using a hero that requires a lot of mana and stick gives extra 150mp e.g. na,storm

[azumi]

1.Magic stick good for against Zeus, batrider, and bristleback.
2.Magic stick good for str heroes whose mana pool is very low and really need that mana to cast a spell. eg: Raigor, Sven, Sandk (maybe), etc.
3.Magic stick not really useful for int heroes.
4.Eventhough the magic wand only restore quite a small amount of mana, but Magic Wand give a lil boost to your mana pool because it requires 3 ironwood branches + magic stick, which is very good in early game.

[BradPitt`xoxo]

3.Magic stick not really useful for int heroes.
EXCEPT FOR STORM :p

4.Eventhough the magic wand only restore quite a small amount of mana, but Magic Wand give a lil boost to your mana pool because it requires 3 ironwood branches + magic stick, which is very good in early game.

well said.

[Fate^x3]

it's good early, when laning with bb, or such heroes which spam alot with low mana cost. of course this is better, but it's fine with other heroes aswell. but obviously not useful when soloing mid, against heroes which dont need skills!

[ToLeRaNcEzErO]

i like to buy magic stick on all the heroes
small reason is that the 150 heal can really screw ppl chasing u
and get that extra time to have allies come save u
thats extra 3 stats also quite helpful early game
78 extra hp
even 5 hp can make a big differences liao

[FalleN]

Magic stick has a advantage when u r playing draft games and laning wif int heros like zeus or cm. It culd giv u great hp and mp heal in the early games.

[--Mickey]

magic stick must see what kind of hero u are laning with like batrider or BB its very useful , if u laning with na or am its useless =).

[dreamchazer]

magic stick must see what kind of hero u are laning with like batrider or BB its very useful , if u laning with na or am its useless =).

I beg to differ. Na and Am will keep your mana low. When you need to cast a spell to escape or kill them, that is when you can use the stick to get sufficent mana for 1 spell.