How to counter Warlock

[d0minic]

Another thread started by me about countering. Just realise only only a very very good viper like Musica's could stand against a warlock 1v1. i am talking about early game where warlock solos a lane.

Discuss

[LoveLauR.X3]

lone druid perhaps?

[BaByWizZieE]

zeus wif alot alot of tree eatins then farm void

[dunchbullyme]

bane can do it , or bear

[CrimsonBlack]

Another thread started by me about countering. Just realise only only a very very good viper like Musica's could stand against a warlock 1v1. i am talking about early game where warlock solos a lane.

Discuss

You don't need a good viper. A lousy warlock will do...

No la. I feel that if a lich is cautious enough, it can win warlock. Because most of the warlocks, cast shadow word, then drop the infernal. Free chain frost!

Although you will get bullied by warlock at the start, when you have ample HP to sustain his shadow word, GG for him.

[OpelxFrost]

y focus on early game only. get a omni at side lane. his ga pwns his inferno at mid > late game.

[King4hao]

warlock is not called imba for nothing.
No one can beat a good warlock in a 1v1 lane solo
Note the emphasis of the word "beat"
you can barely survive,but it hard to kill him 1v1 without a gank

THD/enchantness maybe can stand a little chance.

Viper is kind of useless against a good warlock
Viper poison cant do serious damage toward warlock while warlock on the other hand can own viper easily with constant shadowword haressing.

Lich in the past maybe,but after all those nerfs on him,i highly doubt so.
Lich have slow projectile speed,slow ms plus low life.
it kinda hard for lich to outfarm wl

Here something from dota-allstars forum you might wan read up.
http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=105731&hl=

[Ant]

If both players are equally high in skill level, assuming no backstabs or anything, I can think of 3 heroes that can win or at least stand even with warlock 1v1.

[d0minic]

If both players are equally high in skill level, assuming no backstabs or anything, I can think of 3 heroes that can win or at least stand even with warlock 1v1.


what are the 3 since u played warlock often

[wc3`]

bear - harassing back with his bear spirit.

bane - after shadowing wording, suck his hp back.

[OpelxFrost]

necrolic is possible wif his life suck. grave chill makes it easy for necrolic to run from his golem.

enchantress has a gd chance against warlock. Lesser mana used compared to warlock to heal more hp. but tat onli draws the lane. but with a few good impetus enchant might be able to control the lane back.

zeus does hav a chance if he focus on lightning bolt. he can easily outnuke a warlock due to the lower mana consumption. a warlock tat is outnuked will be healing himself.

silencer has a chance against warlock if he curse of silence after warlock shadow him. if warlock decides to pump the other skill, the high mana usage will make him less effective.

od might nt stand a gd chance against warlock 1v1, but at hero fight, his golem is totally useless if it takes 400 bonus dmg from each hit by od.

but i still rather use omni against warlock (of cuz omni wun be at warlock lane). in hero fight omni juz need to cast one ga to render his golem useless. let the warlock reduce his team farming why bother stopping him from farming (free lane control) of cuz tis is onli applicable if they went refresher, but considering 80% of ppl in compy onli noes how to copy build it shldnt be a problem. even if they went fighter build warlock, ga still render him useless.

u can even consider tagging NA with another hero at mid lane to slaughter a warlock. (no matter how imba shadow ward is, it still requires mana)

[oxygen-]

warlock.. send brood mother 1v1 ftw

[xsomebodyx]

If both players are equally high in skill level, assuming no backstabs or anything, I can think of 3 heroes that can win or at least stand even with warlock 1v1.

Share please! =)

[MaNtA.]

FFS, Ive seen Musicas Viper it aint that good, actually Viper against Warlock is kinda fair matchup though.

[MaNtA.]

yeah draft match, his viper was 20 kills 1 death if im not wrong.

[wc3`]

necrolic is a good choice. lvl 1-5 using grave chill to recover. from lvl6 start harassing wl farming using his birds.

enchantress? like u said, a few good impetus might stop him. i dun tink its good imo.

wl>>>silencer from my view.

[blahblahblah]

naix will do bahz..he word u , u suck life back from creep =)

[rosteriyaki]

naix will do bahz..he word u , u suck life back from creep =)

lol niax from lvl 1 is pathetic being a melee with its low life..suck back life?i don't see the point of adding lifesteal from lvl 1 its of no much use.u see his dmg is too low even if u got 40%lifesteal it cant withstand warlock's constant shadowword harass and infernal at lvl6..

i only think that by not allowing warlock to solo any hero 1v1 is the best.no heroes stand much chance in a 1v1 solo mid against warlock.
2 hero should be able to take dwn warlock..like thd and veno..one doing constant dual breathe and deny..veno standing more infront to distract warlock from approaching with its ss and thd dual breathe..by lvl 4 both hero should be able to take take warlock.no matter how strong your warlock is..i dun think it can 2v1 against ppl of almost same standard skills.

warlock is imbal in 6.37. which is often picked for drafting.

[Ant]

Zeus can take a Warlock, in the sense that both sides will be unable to stop each other from farming since Zeus can be infinitely humji. However, one backstab on Zeus will completely screw Zeus over so this isn't reccomended unless you are one of those mass catcher teams.

Bear can, without a doubt, take Warlock. The advantage will constantly swing from one hero to the other as they level up.

Silencer can take Warlock but not if both of them are good.

THD has no problems taking Warlock at all.

So can Viper. Viper can actually control Warlock, and with a few backstabs can completely shut down the Warlock during its crucial levels.

QoP will die like crap against a solo Viper. However, the Strength of QoP is the difficulty in backstabbing her and the ease of backstabbing Viper with a QoP. So it can be done if you have a Chen/Veno/VS to lane run from before lvl 5.

Pugna can take Warlock if both players are very very good.

Bane won't just take Warlock, it'll win Warlock.

I haven't seen high level matchups of it, but you can try LoA, Necrolyte, Enchantress, Necrolic, although LoA and Enchantress are wasted in a solo lane. I have been able to farm or even control Warlock with those, but the opponent's standard wasn't that high.

[asle21]

i think no one can own warlock if the on who's using it knows how to use it.....

[olehze]

lol ant sure is talkative..like always

[quincyzzx]

od , viper , pugna could easily take a warlock in a lane wif enuff the 80 dollar eat tree ting...shadow only takes away 275 life at the most even at max lvl.. so i dun c how imbal warlock is...

[quincyzzx]

lol niax from lvl 1 is pathetic being a melee with its low life..suck back life?i don't see the point of adding lifesteal from lvl 1 its of no much use.u see his dmg is too low even if u got 40%lifesteal it cant withstand warlock's constant shadowword harass and infernal at lvl6..

i only think that by not allowing warlock to solo any hero 1v1 is the best.no heroes stand much chance in a 1v1 solo mid against warlock.
2 hero should be able to take dwn warlock..like thd and veno..one doing constant dual breathe and deny..veno standing more infront to distract warlock from approaching with its ss and thd dual breathe..by lvl 4 both hero should be able to take take warlock.no matter how strong your warlock is..i dun think it can 2v1 against ppl of almost same standard skills.

warlock is imbal in 6.37. which is often picked for drafting.
life stealer is not a bad idea... can camouflage wif the scourge creep...lol...create chaos...then aso can suck life back

[blahblahblah]

life stealer is not a bad idea... can camouflage wif the scourge creep...lol...create chaos...then aso can suck life back
yeah.. totally agree..

[blahblahblah]

lol niax from lvl 1 is pathetic being a melee with its low life..suck back life?i don't see the point of adding lifesteal from lvl 1 its of no much use.u see his dmg is too low even if u got 40%lifesteal it cant withstand warlock's constant shadowword harass and infernal at lvl6..

i only think that by not allowing warlock to solo any hero 1v1 is the best.no heroes stand much chance in a 1v1 solo mid against warlock.
2 hero should be able to take dwn warlock..like thd and veno..one doing constant dual breathe and deny..veno standing more infront to distract warlock from approaching with its ss and thd dual breathe..by lvl 4 both hero should be able to take take warlock.no matter how strong your warlock is..i dun think it can 2v1 against ppl of almost same standard skills.

warlock is imbal in 6.37. which is often picked for drafting.
er.. nw is toking abt who can tk down warl0ck in 1v1 n nt 2v1. so pls.. u trying to be funny or?

[quincyzzx]

er.. nw is toking abt who can tk down warl0ck in 1v1 n nt 2v1. so pls.. u trying to be funny or?
i tink he is jus plain D**b....so lols or???

[blahblahblah]

yeah. argee..

[Reya]

life stealer is not a bad idea... can camouflage wif the scourge creep...lol...create chaos...then aso can suck life back
yeah. argee..

are you two trying to be cute ?

[xunliang]

Zeus can take a Warlock, in the sense that both sides will be unable to stop each other from farming since Zeus can be infinitely humji. However, one backstab on Zeus will completely screw Zeus over so this isn't reccomended unless you are one of those mass catcher teams.

Bear can, without a doubt, take Warlock. The advantage will constantly swing from one hero to the other as they level up.

Silencer can take Warlock but not if both of them are good.

THD has no problems taking Warlock at all.

So can Viper. Viper can actually control Warlock, and with a few backstabs can completely shut down the Warlock during its crucial levels.

QoP will die like crap against a solo Viper. However, the Strength of QoP is the difficulty in backstabbing her and the ease of backstabbing Viper with a QoP. So it can be done if you have a Chen/Veno/VS to lane run from before lvl 5.

Pugna can take Warlock if both players are very very good.

Bane won't just take Warlock, it'll win Warlock.

I haven't seen high level matchups of it, but you can try LoA, Necrolyte, Enchantress, Necrolic, although LoA and Enchantress are wasted in a solo lane. I have been able to farm or even control Warlock with those, but the opponent's standard wasn't that high.

Hmmmmm how can pugna stop the warlock farming? I only know it can prevent the warlock from killing cos of the mana flare. I think if they make shadow word debuffable it would be more balanced.

[satrughan]

aiyah be simple la
play faceless/any other char buy vanguard can counter the shadowword since dmg at lvl 4 is 36 per sec and faceless the backtrack skill oso can backtrack the dmg
wan counter infernal buy diffusal lorx..free cash form killing the infernals
wat do you ppl think ??

[Reya]

Actually i don find warlock quite imbal also.

SW is like any other skills with 200-300 damage, only it takes damage overtime, and thus healing your own hp ( RoR / RoH) with a lot much slower i assume.

Like any other 200-300 damage skill, its spammable with a quite fast cooldown.

His stats come in almost the same way as THD, with two bracers they have considered HIGH hp at lvl 8 - 13, why didnt anyone say THD was imbal ?

Weird har ?

[d0minic]

because it is not just about damaging 0.0 .
i could solo against a warlock IF the SW is a damaging output spell. not healing cum damaging ? u get it ?

he can heal. which makes him imba because it is like 3 hearts regenerating his health

[satrughan]

then play am lorx
pump void buy vanguard then first problem solved
nxt play aggresive with the warlock constantly keeping his mana low
or play nerub assasin buy the replenish mana thing and spam the mana burn him

[satrughan]

veno oso can kill the warlock he play heal veno play shadow strike and the poison sting Shadow strike when you cast will giv 100 then 50 dmg 5 times
correct ??then poison sting giv 20 dmg per sec for 7 sec
warlock heal last 8 sec and heal 40 life per sec if 1 attack and reduce the heal almost by half that is oso good liao warlock heal oso total only 320 life wat..and i oso now magic resistance oso must be added but i no time to do so...

[blahblahblah]

are you two trying to be cute ?
er.. pls u don even noe when ppl r laughing at u.. sad.

[d0minic]

veno mediorce health sure cannot tahan. range wise also cant compare to warlock.

[quincyzzx]

are you two trying to be cute ?
hey, i got act cute nvr act cute huan lou tio u??? tis tread is about how to counter warlock ok? if u dint noe how to read plz learn....:bananahuge:

[satrughan]

yah lo..warlock is like 40% balanced and 60% imbal
still the best way to beat warlock is good teamwork

[DOTASG_PAPA]

yah lo..warlock is like 40% balanced and 60% imbal
still the best way to beat warlock is good teamwork

Get a lot of ROR or ROH. You will live to see another day.

At least can recover from life lost fast and be back in action if you are facing a fierce warlock.

[pRaYeR]

a good wl is imba.. a noob wl is noob :P

[Reya]

you two really damm cute.
by countering warlock, you use lifestealer and act with creeps. soooo cute sia (:


Veno cant really win warlock, even with SS and nova, warlock drop infernal, TP go back base, safe. :/

[xunliang]

maybe obsidion destroyer.

You suck away his intel so his spamming is much less. Then your arcane orb does +400 extra damage to his infernal so itsl ike 3 hit KO

[wc3`]

i guess a good wl will make use of his range against a mid range obsidian. To me, obsidian is rather low in str and vulnerable. a few hits and a cast of SW can really piss an obsidian off.

Still, i tink either bear or bane is the best choice. though shorter in attack range than wl, bear can farm through his harass using spirit bear; bane can get back what he lose. revenge ftw

[blahblahblah]

naix is the best to counter warl0ck...

[Reya]

Theres the GXL finals where zenith vs micro and their mid lane was obsidian against warlock ..

warlock was lvl 7 and obsidian was like .. lvl4 going lvl5 ~.~

but in the end .. obsidian owned big .. 2 sceptre and a mystic staff .. ownage ??

1ulti from obsi , cleared veno and loa ~_~

[quincyzzx]

use naix ma...

[tantk]

keeper of the light maybe can tahan for the first 10 mins =p

[blahblahblah]

Theres the GXL finals where zenith vs micro and their mid lane was obsidian against warlock ..

warlock was lvl 7 and obsidian was like .. lvl4 going lvl5 ~.~

but in the end .. obsidian owned big .. 2 sceptre and a mystic staff .. ownage ??

1ulti from obsi , cleared veno and loa ~_~
replay????????

[quincyzzx]

naix can tahan till the end

[Reya]

erm the replay u got asterisk zenith blog or gxl web can download .. haha ..

http://www.geocities.com/sylvirspydir/asteriskzenith/asteriskzenithdownloadpg.html

[quincyzzx]

best way draft him 1st.....naix is a good counter

[blahblahblah]

yeah.. serious. naix is a gd counter

[Reya]

Please tell me how ):

[d0minic]

i am talking about early game.

[blahblahblah]

naix early game can suck life back den can camorflage wif the creeps

[Reya]

camouflage , i don really think can .. suck life got BIG BIG aura then creep also can see -.-"

[blahblahblah]

normally those warl0ck user is pa jiao one lar.. so can.

[ZoD.Leo]

It's either pugna, bane or viper.

Pugna's blast is even more spammable than wl, and early nether ward can completely wipe out wl's mana resource.

Bane can control warlock easily, with brain sap and nightmare, Warlock doesn't really stand a chance.

If the warlock is good until he knows how to use his infernal to block (good micro), viper doesn't stand a chance. If not, viper can easily outharass warlock.

[quincyzzx]

r u sure....naix can dun learn the suck life one 1st...

[blahblahblah]

It's either pugna, bane or viper.

Pugna's blast is even more spammable than wl, and early nether ward can completely wipe out wl's mana resource.

Bane can control warlock easily, with brain sap and nightmare, Warlock doesn't really stand a chance.

If the warlock is good until he knows how to use his infernal to block (good micro), viper doesn't stand a chance. If not, viper can easily outharass warlock.
r u crapping or?

[ZoD.Leo]

r u crapping or?
I'm not crapping. -_-

[quincyzzx]

loler....n1

[olehze]

nice profound english by tantk!

[Reya]

lol...................

[xianzai92]

I tink wad he said is quite true afterall. However, the blking part ... Its quite hard ... Infernal walk so slow ... Bt still lah ... If u wan take WL its almost impossible. U will get lane controlled eventually UNLESS u have early game bs to get an advance in lvl. If nt ... Early game juz try to hide in black spots and juz get exp lor ... wl nw is really nerfed to almost nth man ... Its useless in late game now ..

[quincyzzx]

can take leh....wl so lousi....go f the tree lar stupid lock..........i eat the tree u gg toopid lock

[k n i g h t]

we all know how to counter warlock liao...
OBISIDIAN DESTROYER! Not during early game ah, but his casting shot deals 400+ to the infernal... u can kill it in 2 hits.. talk about easy marny..

[CrimsonBlack]

Now almost any ranged hero can take warlock...warlock can go jump down the world tree le...he sucks big time.

[Reya]

if you still know how to use it, its still imba.

[quincyzzx]

nay...eat tree> sw

[k n i g h t]

Now almost any ranged hero can take warlock...warlock can go jump down the world tree le...he sucks big time.

wa... anti-warlock sia...

[quincyzzx]

yeah warlock sux ....late game 1 purge = he gg....

[blahblahblah]

no lehx WArlock rox

[quincyzzx]

yeah warlock got rocks he got rock band concert tis tuesday anione going?

[blahblahblah]

tis wednesday lar...

[xianzai92]

lol ... Wad rock band ... Dey sing RAIN OF CHAOS !!!! RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRRR !!! HERE COMES THE INFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL !!!

lol ... and fatal bonds => I BOND WIF U JUZ LYK JAMES BOND GOING ON SIAO KAO MISSIONS AND HAVING FUN WIF GALS WHEREVER I GO ?

[satanswing]

I think only lich, bear and viper got chance to WIN a gosu warlock.

Lich: outfarm, outdeny, outlevel and cf ftw
Bear: outfarm, outdeny, outlevel and pray for many roots
Viper: outfarm, outdeny, outlevel and counter aggro at right time

Of course, the skill level must be high to stand even a tiny chance against another gosu warlock.

If want to even farm with warlock, mabby visage, bane still got chance. They got suck life skills so stay lane still ok. Wait for backstab ftw

[Reya]

Lich's attack animation is very slow, compared to warlock, its very to hard to outfarm plus outdeny warlock. Plus, frost nova can easily be countered by 'healing shadow word', also if at lvl3, most warlock go aggro and forces you to back off. Thus if lich and warlock go 1v1 in a lane, lich would probably hug more.
just my 2cents. lazy type ler, want watch xi ling men ~_~

[satanswing]

If lich can somehow force warlock to heal himself with words then should be gd, since he will words the lich less

[xabo]

nah. lich frost nova. warlock heals. poke u back gg. and micro aso. gg lich attack is like 400meter per second and warlock 800meter per second. no way warlock will lose to a lich unless uber noob warlock =x

[Reya]

Agree with xabo.
i watching prison break, don wan type..

[quincyzzx]

then rk gs is dependant only on strength n basic damage ???? or do a rapier make a whole lot of differents??

[d0minic]

nope. gs is not inclusvive of rapier. meaning it takes the percentage out of ur basic dmg and str

[quincyzzx]

nope. gs is not inclusvive of rapier. meaning it takes the percentage out of ur basic dmg and str
oic....u still at egames?????

[d0minic]

no. at home le. today u all lost to what team.

[quincyzzx]

a unknown team.....tey pro we noob ...tats all....