Ihcs

[Poddy]

Hello guys im co-admin from IHCS. Its basically a dota invite league where players add to games and get formed into teams and get ranks for each win etc. Currently the top players in europe/usa play there featuring clans such as MYM, PLZ, Q, COL, TPD etc. I extend an invite out there to you singapore guys as ive heard u guys are pretty good and im sure you would like to test ur ability against us and vice versa. We currently play games on GGC (good game client) and on good hosts theres little or no delay. We currently have ppl from new zealand in our league who can play fine on a decent host so i assume u guys would have any problems. I dont know whos good and whos not from singapore , all i hear is zenith are quite good, but am sure theres many other skilled players out there. If this league sounds interesting to any of u guys u can check it out at ihcs.de.vu . pm me here on these forums or on there if u require any more info. Ill check this thread regulary and will try and answer any questions queries u may have. Gl

[Shawn]

Nice, i submitted a safelist request already hope to try out some of your games soon :)

[Poddy]

just wanted to add btw. we use mirc quakenet , we all meet in a priv chan and add to games via a bot. or do captains games. 2 captains pick from a list of players that signed up. We use ventrillo , so teamwork is much stronger than usual. I aint sure about the english lvl of u guys but from wat i seen ur written english is excellent. Even if u can go on vent and listen to basic commands like "back" or go or watever it helps alot. We have alot of different nationalities in ihcs so english is the only spoken language or it turns into chaos.

[Shawn]

Singaporeans speak English so i dont forsee a problem :p Hopefully it doesnt lag, I did play games hosted from US before on GGC tho and it was 0 delay

[Poddy]

Ok watched the replay. to me singapore gameplay is extremely weird. For example i got a few questions. ur twinheaded dragon, he has a great nuke thats easy 2 farm with, u very rarely farm with ur spell. y dont u just farm boots of travel or something when ur in lane. myself and few others thing ur denying abilities etc seemed ok but ur gameplay seemed weird.... maybe its just the different styles. can u let me know y u didnt try and farm more?

[SuZuKa]

Not sure which game u r referring to but generally supporting hero don't farm and let their end gamer farm instead. We also want to control the creep flow and not let your own creeps reach the opponent tower. Casting spell and hitting on creeps will let yr creeps reach their tower faster..

[Poddy]

refering to a game by shawn . the singapore gameplay looks alien to me. i just would like to see the top singapore players play with the top euros + americans with no delay , would be good to see.

[Gee]

We do buy BOT sometimes but mostly its towards end game because i feel the most useful thing about BOT is the teleport without wasting an iventory slot. However, for earlier games, there should be sufficient slots for us to get a teleport scroll which is much better than BOT in escaping since it teleports in a shorter time. If given a choice, i would have gotten blink dagger rather than BOT.

However, all this is mainly just preference i suppose...
There are some tatics u guys used which i am curious about as well. I watched the replay u posted and saw 3 melee heroes taken for each team. I understand that u play -lm but really range heroes would have lane controlled much better than melee. ( mainly the scourge side who had teamed spiritbreaker and ogre magi together which i see no link in and was rather disastrous)

Also, i realize u guys like to farm midas+bot as asap very much. (3/5 of scourge team went for that and more than 1/2 of the team on both sides bought midas)

[Poddy]

Those heroes taken were drafted from a random pool selected by a bot. basically we get 10 players, we add to a game , 2 captains pick the teams. the bot gives us a pool and we draft from them. thats y u saw some heroes like spiritbreaker etc.

[Gee]

Those heroes taken were drafted from a random pool selected by a bot. basically we get 10 players, we add to a game , 2 captains pick the teams. the bot gives us a pool and we draft from them. thats y u saw some heroes like spiritbreaker etc.

Doesnt having randomnized pool make it more unfair? and how big is the pool? and is it pooled under -ap or sentinel vs scourge

[freshie]

refering to a game by shawn . the singapore gameplay looks alien to me. i just would like to see the top singapore players play with the top euros + americans with no delay , would be good to see.

Didnt DN win cOL b4 on gg client?

[ThePhenom]

that was mi2

[Poddy]

[Nerubian Assassin] [Slithereen Guard] [Necrolyte] [Keeper of the Light] [Twin Head Dragon] [Obsidian Destroyer] [Nerubian Weaver] [Queen of Pain] [Bane Elemental] [Silencer] [Ursa Warrior] [Stone Giant] [Lord of Olympia] [Lycanthrope]


above is an example pool. player 1 picks 1st, then player 2 gets 2 picks, then player 1 gets 2 picks and so forth. randomized pool is so that ppl dont play the same hero all the time. btw the col game v dn , i believe it was all hosted from dn and col had major lags. we have 2 leagues in ihcs . 1 is the main for best players, 2 is for those trying 2 prove they good enough or want to test the league. i can get any1 in to league 2 if they wish to try it. i tried a game on blan with singapore host and had nearly unplayable delay. my teammates says it was bad host tho. we play games on ggc but i can get ppl in league2 and maybe they have better delay on europe hosts.

[Ant]

Heard a lot of bad things about GGC from friends, but forums say nothing but praise for it. Just got it since we're planning to have a friendly with China over GGC and, for the China host at least, seems fine.

I'll try a few games over GGC to test hosts from different countries, US or Europe or neighbouring Phil, and feedback to my teammates. I'm still a GGC noob so I have no idea how to get to the IHCS or whatever stuff lol.

[Poddy]

Well since yesterday and from now on ill be hopefully idling and active in all known sg mirc channels. that way if any1 has any questions i can answer them and help out. im trying 2 help get a worldwide dota community grow and help our game get mainstream. currently ive alot of the best usa + euro ppl in same chan, y not the sg guys? my only prob would be that maybe there would be some delay between games , thats y i wanted 2 find out if it was a viable option and then id let every1 know how 2 join etc.

[BaByWizZieE]

i dun even know wads GGC seriously

[Poddy]

www.ggc-game.com its a program like lancraft etc.

[Gee]

Hmm..i would be interested to try it provided the lag isnt too serious.
However, since u are trying to introduce this to the entire sg community, i suggest u should give us an intro on how to firstly sign up for your IHCS games and the channel+details of how to get into the channel for your games.

Also, you should provide some walkthrough on how to use gg client to join games as most of us do not use that program to play our games.

Edit: Ok, tried a european hosted game on gg client. It was ard 1 sec delay for normal play...and the very frequent spikes which was quite terrible. I lagged out in 9 mins 42 secs -_-'' ( if you want replay i can send u) If it was just 1 sec delay all the way i could get used to the timing, but i get heavy spike every 3-5 sec where everything freezes.

Edit 2: ok gg client is very very unstable...played my 2nd game which has much less spikes but still 1-2 sec delay for everything, and got dced in 37 mins. (I dont dc often and dcing at 100% rate is ridiculous)
Note: both games are european hosts. Apart from the delay which really affects my farming alot, the game is still rather playable and there is no problem in killing enemy heroes. ( was at 6 0 b4 i dced) . However, the rate of dc is a big deterent for me to continue playing under gg client.

[Ant]

Hmmm I played a few games with GGC but haven't tried European hosts yet. Well I joined one, got asked "Where are you from?", answered, and got booted, and decided to switch to other countries.

Tried Brazillian host (it's the only country on GGC in America, wtfs? Well, it's definitely not English those people are speaking). Very obvious 1 second delay, which does affect last hitting a bit, but since it's constant it can be catered for, and no spikes to be spoken of, so engagements all went pretty smoothly. Host did DC at 43 minutes though, but I doubt it was a GGC problem.

Taiwan host was much better, with barely noticable delay but within 10 minutes I didn't notice it was there anymore. One guy left at 50 minutes and they opted to remake (that's a rather quick rm o.o).

But damn doesn't anyone speak English?

So GGC is working rather well for me. Btw, what Channels are you going to, and what nick are you using?

[Poddy]

A guide to IHCS

For those that are unaware of what IHCS actually is, this guide will explain in detail everything about ihcs as well as how to join the league.

What is IHCS? - IHCS is a invite league for the top dota players around the world. Currently we have players from Europe, North America, South America, Australia, and 1 or 2 from the rest of asia. Most of the top USA + Europe play there when they are not playing or scrimming with their clans. It is a place for good players to go and play competitive Dota games with likeminded players. These games are run on a points system, where you get points for each win , u loose some for a loss. Every player in the league gets ranks then based on their points level. All the IHCS games are played on GGC (Good Game Client) so that with a good host players from around the world can play fine with minimual delay on the same host. We use MIRC to meet up and chat and to join games. To join IHCS players must apply for a vouch on the forums and a team of admins/moderators carefully go through each application and check to see if the player is a worthy candidate.

What are IHCS's goals? - IHCS was set up so that the best players in the world can play dota games agaisnt eachother with minimal delay so that we can create a community of the worlds elite. If dota is to get bigger and mainstream then we as a community need to work together and support it. Recently alot of the IHL (A US East Invite LEague) players have come over and joined with IHCS and have improved the league. Admins from IHL have also came over and used their vast experience to help the league. We are looking forward to upgrading our league in the next few months with soem big improvements. We also have a feeder league, IHCS2 , for people who are either unknown and trying to prove they are worth a shot in the main league, or for those who are just not quite ready yet and are looking to improve and play competitive games with players like themselves.

Where can i find out more information about IHCS? - Our forums are found at http://ihcs.de.vu/ . In the next few months we will be moving to a brand new website.On our forums you will find stickies on how to create a vouch thread . We also have indepth guides on how to use mirc and helpful staff if you have any queries.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/IHL_Euro/index.php?showtopic=2153

the above link explains how 2 join our mirc chan. ud need a vouch and a password 1st. im not sure if it will be a viable option due 2 routing and lag issues thats y im trying 2 find out. hope all this info helps.

[Shadow_Phantom]

We do buy BOT sometimes but mostly its towards end game because i feel the most useful thing about BOT is the teleport without wasting an iventory slot. However, for earlier games, there should be sufficient slots for us to get a teleport scroll which is much better than BOT in escaping since it teleports in a shorter time. If given a choice, i would have gotten blink dagger rather than BOT.

However, all this is mainly just preference i suppose...
There are some tatics u guys used which i am curious about as well. I watched the replay u posted and saw 3 melee heroes taken for each team. I understand that u play -lm but really range heroes would have lane controlled much better than melee. ( mainly the scourge side who had teamed spiritbreaker and ogre magi together which i see no link in and was rather disastrous)

Also, i realize u guys like to farm midas+bot as asap very much. (3/5 of scourge team went for that and more than 1/2 of the team on both sides bought midas)

Do you realise the potential of midas? If you rmb to use it, u can get like 1.5k gold in 10 min w/o farming skills. btw, ihlcs default mode is ar

[d0minic]

i just realise. since both continents have different style of playing. isnt it cool ? it would be nice to watch.
one thing i like to stress out is i hope other countries respect our way of playing. u cant force us to follow ur style of playing ?

Mi2 and coL has competed before and our strategy of ganking seems to be good against american style of playing.

[Ant]

I had a reply, but I had too many things to say to squeeze in, so I'll just say I have far too many things to reply d0minic and leave it at that.

Lazy :Banane34:

[d0minic]

lol good or bad. point out if i am wrong

[blahblahblah]

very post , posted by poddy so long......... lazy to read sia. lols

[blahblahblah]

oops sry i mean every*

[Reya]

Hi, what does IHCS stand for ?
And also, i think your GGC website is not running, i cant seem to get in.

[infinite91]

Heard a lot of bad things about GGC from friends, but forums say nothing but praise for it. Just got it since we're planning to have a friendly with China over GGC and, for the China host at least, seems fine.

I'll try a few games over GGC to test hosts from different countries, US or Europe or neighbouring Phil, and feedback to my teammates. I'm still a GGC noob so I have no idea how to get to the IHCS or whatever stuff lol.
will ggc haf delay like bnet???

[infinite91]

i just realise. since both continents have different style of playing. isnt it cool ? it would be nice to watch.
one thing i like to stress out is i hope other countries respect our way of playing. u cant force us to follow ur style of playing ?

Mi2 and coL has competed before and our strategy of ganking seems to be good against american style of playing.
other countries ppl...they play spammin style so our gankin will work well

[d0minic]

nope. mi2 vs coL used GGC . it reduced the most lag

[Ant]

nope. mi2 vs coL used GGC . it reduced the most lag
No, they used Lancraft, which is very different.

[Gee]

Do you realise the potential of midas? If you rmb to use it, u can get like 1.5k gold in 10 min w/o farming skills. btw, ihlcs default mode is ar

Dude, did you even read what i wrote. I did not state a thing bout buying midas being wrong, i just commented that the replay showed many players buying midas and going bot after that. Midas has potential yes. If used efficiently you can get back the gold u used to buy midas which is correct as well. But it has certain disadvantage such as it is really an early game item if you want to maximize its use which is why i understand the players bought it before anything. However, it does mean you have to farm 2k to get an item that doesnt give stats to improve ur survivability or mana to kill.

Farming 1.5k in 10 mins might be correct, but dying 2 times in 10 mins cause u got midas instead of 400 more hp with 2k would have made you lose a price similar to 1.5k anyway. So it really depends on the situation and how ur lane is doing, not a must get item.

Every item has it advantages / disadvantages. be it cost wise or effect wise. I was just stating that those in inhcs liked to buy midas. You could have just kindly stated cause they prefer midas for farming faster. So please stop stereotyping and not reply with a questioning tone like i insulted the style of play.

[d0minic]

No, they used Lancraft, which is very different.


i remember got one part of the game they said they shifting to GGC

[Shadow_Phantom]

Dude, did you even read what i wrote. I did not state a thing bout buying midas being wrong, i just commented that the replay showed many players buying midas and going bot after that. Midas has potential yes. If used efficiently you can get back the gold u used to buy midas which is correct as well. But it has certain disadvantage such as it is really an early game item if you want to maximize its use which is why i understand the players bought it before anything. However, it does mean you have to farm 2k to get an item that doesnt give stats to improve ur survivability or mana to kill.

Farming 1.5k in 10 mins might be correct, but dying 2 times in 10 mins cause u got midas instead of 400 more hp with 2k would have made you lose a price similar to 1.5k anyway. So it really depends on the situation and how ur lane is doing, not a must get item.

Every item has it advantages / disadvantages. be it cost wise or effect wise. I was just stating that those in inhcs liked to buy midas. You could have just kindly stated cause they prefer midas for farming faster. So please stop stereotyping and not reply with a questioning tone like i insulted the style of play.

Sorry, i did not mention that you insulted their style of play. I assumed that u just dont prefer midas.

[dotasiao]

i dl ler.dun even noe how to use it.how to connect game?

[-=[S]k[Y]=-]

Hi, what does IHCS stand for ?
And also, i think your GGC website is not running, i cant seem to get in.


ihcs = in house clan scrim