How would u draft?

[wc3`]

Qop, viper, wl have been the command first few picks in matches. what actually keep me thinking is how to pick the 2nd hero when u are the team choosing last. what would u choose?

This kind of scenario is getting so often...

Team A: viper

Team B: wl

Team A: Qop

Team B:_______?

a pugna to counter the qop? or a chen to do early game control? or a sk/zeus/thd to give support to the team during an engage? What i tink is that the 2nd pick will realli decide on how u wanna plan ur teamplay.

Pls give me some guidance. Pardon my noobness =x

[d0minic]

Chen. dunno why leh. chen very strong in early game

[quincyzzx]

1st : kotl
2nd :enigma
3rd:juggernaunt
4th:orge magi
5th:witchdoctor
^^......

[blahblahblah]

Chen. dunno why leh. chen very strong in early game
if gt creep den strong.. if no creep sibei sianz lik walking $100

[blahblahblah]

1st kotl
2nd naix
3rd pudge
4th pa
5th witch doctor




naix n pa will be lategamer.. pudge . kotl . wd will be catcher. tis draft 90% win

[quincyzzx]

1st kotl
2nd naix
3rd pudge
4th pa
5th witch doctor




naix n pa will be lategamer.. pudge . kotl . wd will be catcher. tis draft 90% win
yeah good draft.....

[BaByWizZieE]

kotl tinker jugg cm viper
gg.

[BaByWizZieE]

viper solos at btm tinker kotl mid 2 top x)

[BaByWizZieE]

but no1 supports my draft T.T

[quincyzzx]

yr draft not effective......

[theCarrot.stick]

yr draft effective......

[blahblahblah]

yeah good draft.....
tnx.......................tis is the most effective draft ler

[quincyzzx]

tnx.......................tis is the most effective draft ler
mus depend on pudge hooking skill....^^

[blahblahblah]

no nid lar.. naix solo mid.. if owning win liaoz

[BaByWizZieE]

y not effective

zai leh kotl owns tinker owns chen

jugg cm owns wif dagger

viper owns solo

[quincyzzx]

i mass aoe lor....those who r left standing would b jugger n viper....2 v5 situation...^^

[wc3`]

omg so fast out of topic liao -_- lol

[King4hao]

1st : kotl
2nd :enigma
3rd:juggernaunt
4th:orge magi
5th:witchdoctor


Too much INT.
Chen mass army+necromian make juggy almost useless.
HOM is useless to most hero in your draft,thus lesser way to counter chen.
your draft is more of mid game rush and is really hard for late game push.


1st kotl
2nd naix
3rd pudge
4th pa
5th witch doctor

Furion , Death Prophet , WL , Chen, Doom
(May replace WL/Chen with pugna)
With one of them going meka. One go eul.
Doom basically kill pudge. Rot+doom+lvldeath=instant death.. and warding can prevent hooking/kotl charge.
Game end before naix say killing spree.Too much late gamer imo
If all else fail, furion and Doom assume as carrier to attempt second major push.

[quincyzzx]

Too much INT.
Chen mass army+necromian make juggy almost useless.
HOM is useless to most hero in your draft,thus lesser way to counter chen.
your draft is more of mid game rush and is really hard for late game push.

enigma jugger is lane control leh...do u noe tat frem 1stun frem enigma jugger can spin till u die lyk beyblade???kotl solo mid...farm heart 1st then deso then treead then relic....kotl as late gamer....orge magi n witchdoc is aso a lane control and damm gay combo....orgemagi cast fire bolt n burn then witchdoc maledict anihow throw aso kena de ma...if u kena maledict = u gg....late aso can play enigma bh ,kotl hadugan ,orge magi throw all his spell, witch doc maledict then dw....juggy jus spin ...when bh over most of the creep aso no hav ....then juggy omni slash....if opponent all still alive let them run cos maledict is upon them....wif tis kind of damage maledict jump 1 tym shld b around 900 plus ba....di dian eh tan han???

[xianzai92]

enigma jugger is lane control leh...do u noe tat frem 1stun frem enigma jugger can spin till u die lyk beyblade???kotl solo mid...farm heart 1st then deso then treead then relic....kotl as late gamer....orge magi n witchdoc is aso a lane control and damm gay combo....orgemagi cast fire bolt n burn then witchdoc maledict anihow throw aso kena de ma...if u kena maledict = u gg....late aso can play enigma bh ,kotl hadugan ,orge magi throw all his spell, witch doc maledict then dw....juggy jus spin ...when bh over most of the creep aso no hav ....then juggy omni slash....if opponent all still alive let them run cos maledict is upon them....wif tis kind of damage maledict jump 1 tym shld b around 900 plus ba....di dian eh tan han???

I tot maledict is depend on dmg DEALT BY WITCH DOCTOR ?

[quincyzzx]

I tot maledict is depend on dmg DEALT BY WITCH DOCTOR ?
it is damage dealt during duration of spell....-_________-"""

[blahblahblah]

enigma jugger is lane control leh...do u noe tat frem 1stun frem enigma jugger can spin till u die lyk beyblade???kotl solo mid...farm heart 1st then deso then treead then relic....kotl as late gamer....orge magi n witchdoc is aso a lane control and damm gay combo....orgemagi cast fire bolt n burn then witchdoc maledict anihow throw aso kena de ma...if u kena maledict = u gg....late aso can play enigma bh ,kotl hadugan ,orge magi throw all his spell, witch doc maledict then dw....juggy jus spin ...when bh over most of the creep aso no hav ....then juggy omni slash....if opponent all still alive let them run cos maledict is upon them....wif tis kind of damage maledict jump 1 tym shld b around 900 plus ba....di dian eh tan han???
LOL!!!! BEYBLADE WTF

[quincyzzx]

LOL!!!! BEYBLADE WTF
yeah ...lol....jugger is beyblade......axe is aso....^^

[d0minic]

Lol Hadukan

[blahblahblah]

OMG quincyzzx is back

[d0minic]

wtf. .same time reply again

[quincyzzx]

i am back.....^^.....

[blahblahblah]

login msn u bastard

[vOnElith]

i say draft 1 x meepo(k) and 1 x naga siren, you have got urself 8 heroes and maybe 12 if both meepo and naga gets manta. so late game 12 heros versus 5. confirm own till you reach the point of organsm.

[d0minic]

funny or ?

[OpelxFrost]

for v6.39 and above juz draft a sf to counter viper.

[kensonex]

sf not strong enuff,use chen n buy two hyper n 3 basher better,can storm bolt the opponent attacker to death =D GDGD!!

[xsomebodyx]

viper > sf :D

[OpelxFrost]

at the cost of 75 mana per raze and total nuke of at least 300 at lvl 3. u sure sf will lose? lol

wan to try a 1v1 of viper vs sf?

[xsomebodyx]

a decent viper wouldn't even get 3 times in a row by shadowraze

and maxing shadowraze 1st would mean losing out on necromastery which would ultimately affect your overall dmg and creep kills. =)

peace, but i still think viper > sf

edit: btw not saying that it's not right to max shadowraze first, everyone has their own build ^_^ but it's just that by not maxing necromastery 1st, you're compromising your farming/denying. would still be better to farm since sf is endgamer =)

[Ant]

In a close-to-ideal case, SF actually has a chance of winning.

Unfortunately SF is 10 times easier to backstab and can't easily regain control once he loses it.

[d4rkw1sH]

tink too much tsk tsk ....

[xsomebodyx]

Oh well, it's just theorycraft.

viper can > sf
sf also can > viper

end of story

(just played a 1v1 to prove my theory that qop > am. although i won, i've also come to the same conclusion that each can be superior in its own way. peace ^^v)

[quincyzzx]

y no sniper?????

[daRoLe-]

hahaha ! LICH LICH anyway ant had a good point over there ..

[freshie]

chen, enchant, kotl, lone druid and furion.

All go neutral so that enemy have to keep report missing. they cant come out of tower and farm so gg.lol


but actually might work also.

Lone druid can solo, enchant also + can get creep, chen neutral creeping. Kotl + furion will do sprout + illuminate + wack.

[quincyzzx]

the hidden "dragons"????

[Blade_jianjie]

Chen. dunno why leh. chen very strong in early game
then how to couter viper....viper is strong

[Reya]

y no sniper?????

most people don believe sniper > viper
... but sniper and viper.. to me.. same same.. sniper > viper FTW !

[xabo]

i think enchant can win viper but =/ if they gain equal creep xp. means enchant doesn farm but doesn get denied either. o.0

[quincyzzx]

is player de problem not hero.....trust mi...^^

[Archdevilasd]

i like to draft heros i am good at like lina inverse and pudge.. but people always laugh at me.. one day when i learn how to draft and start a draft match i hope i can win

[rosteriyaki]

i like to draft heros i am good at like lina inverse and pudge.. but people always laugh at me.. one day when i learn how to draft and start a draft match i hope i can win

To me Heroes selection is not everything of the game,is the players,luck, and how the team help each other to win.YA pudge and lina could be draft too.U see sg dota everytime draft same heroes see also till sianz,no creativity or people less/unwillingly to try other less-draft or nvb4-drafted heroes.

[OpelxFrost]

try nw (nerubian weaver) against viper at mid. its real fun :D focus on killing him at lvl 1. but once ppl realise nw potential at draft, its better to tag nw wif loa or heros like thd/lich/cm for farming. simply cuz he is still a shit hero when opponent start to run from him the moment they saw him.

drafting a hero u like is better than drafting the typical draft, provided tat the hero u like can counter ur opponent draft. no point drafting something useless lol.

[Dois]

Ok, I didn't read any previous posts because I find that anything compared to me is irrelevant. So forgive me if I am repeating what someone else has already said.

I would

RANDOM

RANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRA NDOM

And the usual response I get from other people is...

pronoob2001: wah random ah
kingofdota31: lol

and then they say

pronoob2001: come lah u think we cannot is it

so they random too

To bring out the best in your opponent, remember to throw alot of insults and random "YOUR MOTHER *******!"s

[freshie]

Ok, I didn't read any previous posts because I find that anything compared to me is irrelevant. So forgive me if I am repeating what someone else has already said.

I would

RANDOM

RANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRANDOMRA NDOM

And the usual response I get from other people is...

pronoob2001: wah random ah
kingofdota31: lol

and then they say

pronoob2001: come lah u think we cannot is it

so they random too

To bring out the best in your opponent, remember to throw alot of insults and random "YOUR MOTHER *******!"s

New joker of the forum. Good to see species like this still exist, it's been a while.

[wc3`]

yes i agree. another tonyking. talking stuff not related to this thread which i started. go tourney and u random lor. since u so zai can win public. u will be well known in the dota society then.

[[M]alice]

The SP compy can random...just no repick only

see u wan more gold at start anot lol

[d0minic]

u want to risk random for ?

[quincyzzx]

draft can random meh?????

[xunliang]

sand king should be next.

[quincyzzx]

draft all those dua dua ki hero try...lol...so big size then can when gather got the killing aura....lol

[d0minic]

lol.. or get those auras that increase dmg and can stack. luna, drow and vs

[quincyzzx]

luna , drow , vs doesnt look fierce.... mus take pudge , tidehunter , treant protector , tiny n pandarian, lyk tat then look fierce sound fierce but can fight...lol

[Destinyz]

lol... like tis spam blade mail u gg =x

[d0minic]

early game kanna controlled like siao lol

[quincyzzx]

luna , drow , vs doesnt look fierce.... mus take pudge , tidehunter , treant protector , tiny n pandarian, lyk tat then look fierce sound fierce but can fight...lol
mus edit arh is not can fight is cant fight....i type wrng....^^

[d0minic]

but ur combo also quite gay. pudge hook and eat the most impt hero. example zeus from the other team and kill it straight away. so left 4. tiny blink and toss another important hero lets say chen back to his team mates. then all gang **** chen. so left 3. tide hunter and pandarian and treant all get into the fight . one stomp, root then ravage. THEN GG

[d0minic]

i think i am talking nonsense

[quincyzzx]

siao....there wont even b a late game...if u draft lyk tat...lol...cos look fierce sound fierce but cannot fight....^^

[d0minic]

early to mid complete game lor

[quincyzzx]

i tink enigma cum 1 wl can 2 v5 the whole lot.....

[StripperA]

Enigma good meh, my enigma cmi though. everytime blackhole and vacuum the air. The hole must make sure catch 5, later one stun stop it jia lat already.

[quincyzzx]

wl make enigma bh more easily....enigma is not the one who go n start engage...warlock can use inferno to mark the position of enemy for bh to come in....aniway i awas look up to enigma player...

[StripperA]

So means the warlock golem aiming impt, enigma must camp some where then teleport there and suck them all in with blink. AOE siao sia, hole plus golem immolation. Crazy..

[quincyzzx]

is fatal bond + inferno +bh+the death n decay+wl whack....veri veri pain.... wl aiming no nid imptant is tym to drop imptat....

[Bouncy]

if gt creep den strong.. if no creep sibei sianz lik walking $100..
LOL !!!! I LIKE THIS SENTENCE MAN

[d0minic]

u like very aroused. lol

[Archdevilasd]

YES I like the walking 100bucks thing LoL...
anyway i was wondering.. the pros in tournament draft by saying to referee one rite..
then if they wanna choose qop.. do they say
q - o - p or queen of pain? cause if you say q - o - p its the same syllabears as queen of pain
so do they like read out "qop" as a word like "kworp" or what..
how issit pronounced arhz.. anyone can help me.. so if i got chance go
draft with a referee help us wont paiseh read wrong

[jb.]

they pronounce it as kworp

[d4rkw1sH]

does it even matter if duno how to pronouce then dun take that hero lo take a hero that u know how to pronouce =)

[d0minic]

they are not so clueless one la.

[d0minic]

but imagine if we want to go disturb the referee. ( if he is clueless about dota ) one side say qop. the other side say queen of pain then he write both down. lol

[jb.]

rofl? marshals are not idiots thx

[d0minic]

maybe some. that time i ask can backdoor not ? he say wait ah. let me go check

[quincyzzx]

mayb can try to draft wl , rk , naga ,the oter 2 hero ani how draft???? naga buy refresher...raxing strategy...all chiong...wl mus got refresher aso ...drop inferno,rk gs, opponent will tink u wan to fight gang fight n tey will gather ...then u slp all....then rax mid....then ltr refresh slp again go chiong btm...jitao 2 rax ...then back...if opponent got qop who act smart n get linken to block slp...then jus hum tam tat qop to dead ...got net n rk stun n gs she shld go down in lyk at most 3 sec....then u still got lyk 4 sec to clear tower n rax....after they 2 rax down....back wait for naga refresher cd again then repeat the process...then type gg....^^....

[d0minic]

ya ah. refresh naga is quite gay .

[quincyzzx]

yeah....tis is a counter to game draggers team....n act smart qop.....

[d0minic]

why u like to bear grudges. lol. Chill dude......

[quincyzzx]

huh??? got bear grudges meh????

[d0minic]

yeah....tis is a counter to game draggers team....n act smart qop.....


then whose the act smart qop lol

[StripperA]

Lol, blink whack blink whack.

[quincyzzx]

then whose the act smart qop lol
alot....i hate jus hate qop user....^^....

[Archdevilasd]

sleep cannot pierce bkb

[d0minic]

like 5 ppl will go bkb liddat..

[quincyzzx]

yr bkb onli last 10 sec......if i can lure u to bkb leh??? lols

[lawllerskate™]

unless he can predict when u wan to slp... =.=...

[quincyzzx]

erm....can predict de lar....hong him can liao....

[blahblahblah]

alot....i hate jus hate qop user....^^....
coz u dono hw to use... n act smart qop still can kill u means u r stupid

[quincyzzx]

coz u dono hw to use... n act smart qop still can kill u means u r stupid
act smart not smart ok......plz read n understood the following 1st b4 toking...

[blahblahblah]

i tik u cant get what i mean maybe u too dumb..

[quincyzzx]

i tik u cant get what i mean maybe u too dumb..
would anione believe a dumbo????

[blahblahblah]

shhh... **** dummy

[quincyzzx]

dumbo...a dummy is doll tat is not alive....