Divine Rapier.Worth it Or Not(opinions pls)

[xArcHx]

haha i personnaly think its not really worth it coz u can just buy own item like mkb,giv attk speed(10%) and dmg PLUS micro stun ,and its worth probably (demon edge-2.6k quaterstaff-1.15k recipe 1.65k .all tgt is like 6.4k) and dr is ~7.8k~,and it only gives dmg,guess ppl buy it if extra cash or farming so pro,but i personnaly think it isnt worth,well, wad do u think?

[Hyawn-]

If you are confident of not dying to enemy hero and u'll be able to farm out a DR. Definitely DR would be a better opinion for the damage output.

[xArcHx]

hmm u have a point there usually people buy dr for Damage wise and coz they think they dont die but enemy may gang,anyway thx for your opinion

[King4hao]

It depend on the situation.
If you are winning or are confident of winning,there no need to take the risk of going naked rapier
However,if you are on the verge of losing,going naked rapier could turn the table and change the situation,especially when you are a high dps hero that can bd.

Still,the choice is your to judge the situation.
As a matter of fact,i still prefer getting:
Demon edge(for easier last hitting)
Sacred Relic
Aegis
Claymore
Dota is a game about foundation ,not about getting the lvl 4 item first.

[xArcHx]

It depend on the situation.
If you are winning or are confident of winning,there no need to take the risk of going naked rapier
However,if you are on the verge of losing,going naked rapier could turn the table and change the situation,especially when you are a high dps hero that can bd.

Still,the choice is your to judge the situation.
As a matter of fact,i still prefer getting:
Demon edge(for easier last hitting)
Sacred Relic
Aegis
Claymore
Dota is a game about foundation ,not about getting the lvl 4 item first.


WELL SAID!

[quincyzzx]

bullshit......................

[blahblahblah]

crap....................

[StripperA]

Divine Rapier damn sio on bone fletcher.

[blahblahblah]

o.O!??!?!?!??!

[TheSentinel]

i got 2 rapiers u got 4 mkb i oso win u leh...

[xArcHx]

bull shit/crap ur heads la people giv opinion i say nice oso must giv me this shit -.-

[Archdevilasd]

bullshit......................
quincy the pro again..
i'l like to hear what you say lei..
i also wanna.. those cb ppl in games i play in lancraft always scold me buy wrong item.. what is wrong and right la.. always scold me.. no one teach me also.. pros like you keep say other ppl how not gd.. never teach ppl like me how to buy or think in the game liddat how we improve ..

[quincyzzx]

u said opinion plz....i gave my opinion

[quincyzzx]

quincy the pro again..
i'l like to hear what you say lei..
i also wanna.. those cb ppl in games i play in lancraft always scold me buy wrong item.. what is wrong and right la.. always scold me.. no one teach me also.. pros like you keep say other ppl how not gd.. never teach ppl like me how to buy or think in the game liddat how we improve .. i not pro....u buy wat item is yr problem.....yr game....yr rule...lol

[Archdevilasd]

oo you meant you think dr is bullshit arhz..
My bad T_T...
sianz.. ppl always dun wanna teach me how to build... properly.. i not bad one.. but i just cannot get the proper way

[quincyzzx]

u wan noe how build ask bob the builder......u noe it is yr game yr rule y mus die die follow pple pattern.....

[Ant]

Finally something that is worth discussing! Quick! Let's salvage it before it turns into another meaningless spamfest!

Rapier is without a doubt the best item for damage, other than the special circumstances where burize is better (usually this means you already have one rapier).

Generally rapier is used on heroes that high survivability or attack speed or both and of course can actually attack the enemy, putting most melee heroes as not that decent candidates to get rapier unless with a draft with mass slow/disable.

That being said, Aegis Rapier is a good combo more because of the Aegis than the Rapier IMHO. Given a drawn out game, Rapier isn't actually that good compared to burize + mkb + other stuff because in a drawn out game you're going to have to play more conservatively to keep that rapier and use more item slots to buy more aegises which wastes a lot of money (one aegis is good even without charges, more is wasted).

More often than not Aegis/Rapier is rushed because a team needs it. As a game winning combination it IS relatively cheap and can turn the tide, but if there is no foreseeable game conclusion in the near future, I rather get other stuff and not have to play conservatively.

[ruixiang]

Finally something that is worth discussing! Quick! Let's salvage it before it turns into another meaningless spamfest!

Rapier is without a doubt the best item for damage, other than the special circumstances where burize is better (usually this means you already have one rapier).

Generally rapier is used on heroes that high survivability or attack speed or both and of course can actually attack the enemy, putting most melee heroes as not that decent candidates to get rapier unless with a draft with mass slow/disable.

That being said, Aegis Rapier is a good combo more because of the Aegis than the Rapier IMHO. Given a drawn out game, Rapier isn't actually that good compared to burize + mkb + other stuff because in a drawn out game you're going to have to play more conservatively to keep that rapier and use more item slots to buy more aegises which wastes a lot of money (one aegis is good even without charges, more is wasted).

More often than not Aegis/Rapier is rushed because a team needs it. As a game winning combination it IS relatively cheap and can turn the tide, but if there is no foreseeable game conclusion in the near future, I rather get other stuff and not have to play conservatively.

Wah so chim .. Bt imo i feel dat rapier is gd oni when u r VERI VERI VERI VERI sure dat u wont die even deres a gang or wadsoever (u guys can oso make sure u prevent a gang if u guys r dat gd nt to get caught in the net lah lol). Usually i will include in builds for certain heroes dat can escape easily lyk => QOP, morph mostly dose dat can blink ba.

Sometimes i will oso buy for heroes dat i feel will help realli alot lyk drow vs blah blah blah ... Mainly the auras ? Correct the drow if im nt wrg cos im nt veri sure abt the aura it has.

Hope tis answered ur query! :woot:

IF U TINK I DID I GD JOB , support Ice ! LoL

[quincyzzx]

the aura doesnt increase damage for the dr u bougth....it jus increase base on yr agility or base damage........eh it is written by ant leh....not ice.....

[ruixiang]

i noe ... Bt u noe lor i cre8ted the ice fan club so must ad it lol .

[quincyzzx]

but tat is lyk so ..................bwg.......

[theCarrot.stick]

i noe ... Bt u noe lor i cre8ted the ice fan club so must ad it lol .

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[d0minic]

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LOL WTF NICE PIC OR.

ICE, FAN , CLUB

[dunchbullyme]

subject of contention :
Rapier : 7800 gold , 250 damage

its competitors:
Buriza : 6200 gold , +75 damage and 20% chance to deal 2.2 x damage
MKB : 5400 gold , +75 damage 15% ias , 30 % chance to deal 100 bonus damage and to stop channeling spells
Radiance : 5325 gold , + 70 damage , 35 damage per second on nearby units and cause them to miss 8% of their attacks on radiance's bearer
Deso : 4420 gold , + 60 damage , reduce armour by 6

for agil heros

Mjollnir : 6760 gold , + 35 agil , 35 damage and a 20 % chance to release a 200 damage chain lightning with active static charges


assuming 10 hits on a target

(1st damage item)
rapier damage : 2500 damage
buriza damage : 750 damage + 2 hits of crit (165 each) = 1080 damage
mkb : 750 damage + 3 x 100 = 1050 damage
radiance : 700 damage + 35 x 10 = 1050 damage
deso : 600 damage + reduce armour
agil heros
mjollnir : 700 damage + 400 chain lightning damage = 1100


(1st damage item / cost ) (damage / hundred gold)
rapier damage : 2500 damage / 7800 = 320
buriza damage : 1080 damage / 6200 = 174
mkb : 1050 damage / 5400 = 194
radiance :1050 damage / 5325 = 197
deso : 600 damage + reduce armour / 4420 = 136
agil heros
mjollnir : 1100 damage / 6760 = 162

so the rankings for 1st item dps( damage per second ) goes to

1 rapier (320)
2 radiance (197)
3 mkb (194)
4 buriza (174)
5 mjollnir (162)
6 deso (136)

but each item's usefulness is contextually dependant too

rapier's damage is way above the rest of the league but there is the risk of it being dropped.

mkb's stun and ias is good when opponent has channeling spells
most of those with chance to giveout whatever ability usually accumulates and gives diminishing returns , so having not more then one would give u the most damage for your buck

radiance's damage on the other is factoring the aura damage so isn't that good later on. that aura's range isn't that fantastic so unless ur dpser has substantial hp , this item is not that recommended

buriza although has a low dps/sec , its crit would raise as the hero gets more items bringing the dps/sec up. because of this , buriza should almost never be a 1st item.

mjjlonir's damage is with chain lightning in mind , magical damage reduction effects it. as not many people get pudge/ cloak / aegis as much as armour modifying stuff , the damage from chain lightning is more or less constant truout the mid/late game

deso for example is good if the other team has 3 or more stre heros . stre heros tend to have low armour . as armour increases , the gain is decreasing.
so a -6 armour on stre heros would be highly effective

conclusion : see the situation lor

[StripperA]

Good post dunbullyme. Dagon 5 still best, dun need waste time whack. Unleash all the wrath and save time in one shot. Lol..

Anyway, divine rapier looks damn sui as in the picture.

[d0minic]

good job..

[mysterialite]

subject of contention :
Rapier : 7800 gold , 250 damage

its competitors:
Buriza : 6200 gold , +75 damage and 20% chance to deal 2.2 x damage
MKB : 5400 gold , +75 damage 15% ias , 30 % chance to deal 100 bonus damage and to stop channeling spells
Radiance : 5325 gold , + 70 damage , 35 damage per second on nearby units and cause them to miss 8% of their attacks on radiance's bearer
Deso : 4420 gold , + 60 damage , reduce armour by 6

for agil heros

Mjollnir : 6760 gold , + 35 agil , 35 damage and a 20 % chance to release a 200 damage chain lightning with active static charges


assuming 10 hits on a target

(1st damage item)
rapier damage : 2500 damage
buriza damage : 750 damage + 2 hits of crit (165 each) = 1080 damage
mkb : 750 damage + 3 x 100 = 1050 damage
radiance : 700 damage + 35 x 10 = 1050 damage
deso : 600 damage + reduce armour
agil heros
mjollnir : 700 damage + 400 chain lightning damage = 1100


(1st damage item / cost ) (damage / hundred gold)
rapier damage : 2500 damage / 7800 = 320
buriza damage : 1080 damage / 6200 = 174
mkb : 1050 damage / 5400 = 194
radiance :1050 damage / 5325 = 197
deso : 600 damage + reduce armour / 4420 = 136
agil heros
mjollnir : 1100 damage / 6760 = 162

so the rankings for 1st item dps( damage per second ) goes to

1 rapier (320)
2 radiance (197)
3 mkb (194)
4 buriza (174)
5 mjollnir (162)
6 deso (136)

but each item's usefulness is contextually dependant too

rapier's damage is way above the rest of the league but there is the risk of it being dropped.

mkb's stun and ias is good when opponent has channeling spells
most of those with chance to giveout whatever ability usually accumulates and gives diminishing returns , so having not more then one would give u the most damage for your buck

radiance's damage on the other is factoring the aura damage so isn't that good later on. that aura's range isn't that fantastic so unless ur dpser has substantial hp , this item is not that recommended

buriza although has a low dps/sec , its crit would raise as the hero gets more items bringing the dps/sec up. because of this , buriza should almost never be a 1st item.

mjjlonir's damage is with chain lightning in mind , magical damage reduction effects it. as not many people get pudge/ cloak / aegis as much as armour modifying stuff , the damage from chain lightning is more or less constant truout the mid/late game

deso for example is good if the other team has 3 or more stre heros . stre heros tend to have low armour . as armour increases , the gain is decreasing.
so a -6 armour on stre heros would be highly effective

conclusion : see the situation lor

buriza's critical should also include your hero's base damage, not just the base damage or buriza, no?

[theCarrot.stick]

the calculation is a little flawed though you did mention dat the mkb provide extra ias. bt ur conclusion is right, it depends on situation

[haXor]

Depends on your situation if you damm geng keep getting kills you must well get a naked raiper and make you name ! =D T.T

[paperdoll]

agree buriza shld nv be the first item to get.

rapier can really turn the table not sure why but it juz does the job.

rapier is almost better then buriza + mkb combine. i know its abit kua zhang but having rapier will suddenly hav enough impact to win the game.

[quincyzzx]

having rapier is gosu....in tis game rapier is everyting.....

[dunchbullyme]

buriza's critical should also include your hero's base damage, not just the base damage or buriza, no?
yes.

10words

[xkyox]

Watch IGC@RP Team's RP match. Observe the QOP you will know whether the DR is cool or not.

[dunchbullyme]

Watch IGC@RP Team's RP match. Observe the QOP you will know whether the DR is cool or not.
that team is strong all right republic poly has some good players

[xArcHx]

ya......that team strong.lamerz

[quincyzzx]

i dun tink mix team would b as strong as full team ba....

[ruixiang]

I juz feel dat buriz and dr r used for 2 purposes. 1 mainly for draft match and 1 for pub game.

[xArcHx]

i dun tink mix team would b as strong as full team ba....

yea i guess so

[Hebe]

I lazy to read up all the posts, so i just post it here. Sorry if i had repeated any thing which somebody else had already mention.

In DotA, you only have 6 slots which mean it's very limited, plus minus away 1 boot you actually only have 5 slots in actual.

As a end gamer / damager, it's obvious damage output item is very important.

Gold is the other problem but no 2 items add up will have damage more than 250. Plus aegis is a very good surviving item too with all the damage reduction thing.

Anyway as there is limited slots in DotA, so divine rapier is very good for end-gamers because of its less slots required and high damage output.

If there no limit of slot, branch confirm is the strongest item. 57 gold for 1 stat is too imbal.

[StripperA]

how to make 5 divines? not possible right.

[dunchbullyme]

how to make 5 divines? not possible right.

thats what u kill chickens for

[quincyzzx]

slyabear........=).......12 slot.....

[xArcHx]

quincyz u siao u think some1 so rich go pump the spirit bear ar,plus spirit bear dunno whether can hold agies -,-. THINK ONLY HOR

[quincyzzx]

quincyz u siao u think some1 so rich go pump the spirit bear ar,plus spirit bear dunno whether can hold agies -,-. THINK ONLY HOR
i awas pump up my bear...the main hero is jus for tank.....lol.....bear can hold aegis.....^^......

[d0minic]

oh ya i wanted to ask a question. can syllabear's bear if upon holding aegis can revive when being killed ? meaning no need to resummon

[LoveLauR.X3]

id rather go lothars for QOP

[d0minic]

why '? why u want go loathar. she got bllink liao

[LoveLauR.X3]

coz when he red health, u lothar near him then give him the wave right in front of his face!

[quincyzzx]

lol....qop go lothar.......

[xArcHx]

i awas pump up my bear...the main hero is jus for tank.....lol.....bear can hold aegis.....^^......

u pump both at same time make sure u farm fast,w8 nuker come bla bla bla u die

[xArcHx]

qop hp so low oso lothars.....!!!!!

[quincyzzx]

bear farm veri fast de leh..................

[Archdevilasd]

i think furlbog's old name cuter shouldnt change.. fuzzy wuzzy..

[quincyzzx]

o.0.....?????? going off topic or ??? we r saying slyabear.........

[LoveLauR.X3]

qop also can get DOE. once u have rapier, u blink in whack with DR then blink out :D

[ruixiang]

lyk veri waste money leh ... go buriz after dr aegis or bkb lah

[quincyzzx]

nah.....go another dr after dr

[birdie]

Yeah, 1 dr + aegis give birth to another one, then .. another, but most games win with 1 or 2 ba. Not many heroes can take (500+base-reduction)*6whacks even at late game.

[GoSuBoyBoy]

2 aegis 1 dr better den 2 dr one aegis. Feel more safe..

[ruixiang]

nope ... if u can ensure dat u will nvr die in any engage ... 1 divine is enuf

[StripperA]

i ssaved this thread to my favourites. GosuBoyBoy's signature makes me :Banane10:. Argh..gg

[ace[lily]]

for me, willl depend on wat hero lor.. like PA and bone, its quite good for them..

[StripperA]

omg that picture itself is the divine rapier..worth it.. :Banane30: