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itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 11:18 AM
hi guys , any ways can i improve my warlock? cos in team battles all i do is drop inferno and heal my attacker tts all. but alot of times my warlock dies but inferno is still whacking. my 1st items are always sobi mask and 2 branches. then depending on the situation i either go for a guinsoo or straight refresher. skills wise, i add stats for the 1st attribute point and follow by shadow word pain. stats,shadow word pain,stats , alt them. and inferno at 6. i dont add fatal bond. sry if its a noob way of playing wl but i m trying to improve it. thx alot. give me ur opinions or advices thx alot =D cheers!:Banane09:
Dart@
02-24-2007, 11:40 AM
hi guys , any ways can i improve my warlock? cos in team battles all i do is drop inferno and heal my attacker tts all. but alot of times my warlock dies but inferno is still whacking. my 1st items are always sobi mask and 2 branches. then depending on the situation i either go for a guinsoo or straight refresher. skills wise, i add stats for the 1st attribute point and follow by shadow word pain. stats,shadow word pain,stats , alt them. and inferno at 6. i dont add fatal bond. sry if its a noob way of playing wl but i m trying to improve it. thx alot. give me ur opinions or advices thx alot =D cheers!:Banane09:
Fatal bond works during mid-late game.. Depends on situation,maybe a point at lvl 10? Imagine an sk epi and a veno spraying with fatal bond.. the damage
@_@. the only thing i dun understand is why do u prefer stats to shadow word for the first point? o.o
itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 11:58 AM
hmmm becos i prefer the little bit of dmg for denying and farming. lvl 1 shadowword wont dmg or heal alot i guess. so i rather put the 1st shadowword at level 2 follow by the 2nd at lvl 3..
shadow word now is like shit cool down is hell long can't spam like last time lol so have to think carefully when to use and when not to use. As for golem i think its more of microing and its usually better to hurt the opponent with immolation and letting ur infernal or the wl get the last hit during early game.
Agree with dart though the fatal bonds is gd especially whenu got aoe heroes in your team=))
-=[S]k[Y]=-
02-24-2007, 04:16 PM
add fatal bond. bond opp then engage they die fast
itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 05:26 PM
shadow word now is like shit cool down is hell long can't spam like last time lol so have to think carefully when to use and when not to use. As for golem i think its more of microing and its usually better to hurt the opponent with immolation and letting ur infernal or the wl get the last hit during early game.
Agree with dart though the fatal bonds is gd especially whenu got aoe heroes in your team=))
orh. okay. immolation meaning after i drop, my golem will just move along closely with the hero i wanna i kill ? so basically the hero i wanna kill must be around 200 to 300 at level 6?
CrimsonBlack
02-24-2007, 05:46 PM
k[Y]=-']add fatal bond. bond opp then engage they die fast
You should'nt add fatal bond till late or mid-late. Early game damage by fatal bond does crap..
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It is easy to get a warlock kill, just make sure you deny enough to make sure they don't get their ultimate before yours, and as above mentioned, they should be 300-200 or 400. When you're ready, just word the fella and drop the infernal, he should be dead.
Anyway my starting item build for warlock is 3 branches 6 tangoes and 2 clarity pots. With tangoes, you can be a little more offensive during the beginning, like dedicating most of your shadow words offensive to your enemies instead of healing yourself. Use the first 2 clarity pots to free will. Until you reach half the exp bar to level 5, use the last pot, so that you'll be able to do a infernal-shadow word combo by level 6.
Upping bonds or upheaval early is a error IMO, because stats improves warlock's survival and spammage rate. With enough attack damage, microing is also easier.
However, I don't go for refresher in any case...my build would be skadi, blinkdagger, Heart, meka and power treads. As for the other one, TP scroll for escapes-cum-backdooring-cum-defending.
Why not refresher? Because although it gives you double infernal and double the pain and double the stun, they'll just get diffusals and you officially feeded them 2 infernals. With diffusal wielded by enemies, the only useful thing is the wide 1000 AoE stun and 100 damage.
Skadi is a better choice as it gives warlock the slow and damage and stats he needs. Slowing down solo enemies will give your infernal free attacks. The stats also allow you to survive without going back for a long time, and also increases your mana pool. With a skadi and a level 4 fatal bond at late game, you will deal serious damage to all 5 targets.
Blinkdagger - no explanation why, all heroes should get this except vengeful, potm, pudge, am and qop.
Warlock is a very high DPS and survival hero, with Skadi meka and heart you should be alive almost all the time. Skadi and heart drastically increases your health pool, enabling you to tank more for your infernal to destroy something. Once your health pool is depleted, you can always word yourself, and the heal will be used to it's max potential.
Well, I think everyone has his or her own warlock playstyles.
itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 05:53 PM
immolation means like passive skills jus move my golem along beside them to kill them ?
CrimsonBlack
02-24-2007, 05:58 PM
yes, it's like pudge, you rot and run next to the guy, but never hit him unless you're damn confident that hit will kill him.
itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 06:02 PM
okay thanks alot. hmm is it natural for wl to die 1st before the golem dies ? bcos in 5v5 battles my wl always die 1st. so wat i do is drop and meka / guinsoo 1 of their main player before i die. i tink its wrong but i cant find a way to help my wl survive attacks .
Aiya support heroes are like that i guess=X cause their in first before their attacking counter parts eg. qop viper and natural to aim u first since u got heal and a guinsoo thats one disabler cum stunner out of the picture
itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 06:25 PM
hmm so i guess its natural to die huh ?
ruixiang
02-24-2007, 06:36 PM
i rather go guinsoo and dagger. Warlock is alrdy an almost useless hero lah ... In engages u'll nid to at least do sumtin so i tink guinsoo or euls will help alot.
CrimsonBlack
02-24-2007, 09:06 PM
No, warlock is still quite useful if you see it..
itsmeagain
02-24-2007, 09:34 PM
hmm alot ppl ask me buy dagger. but i wonder y .. ? perchaps meka will b a good idea..
Dart@
02-24-2007, 11:51 PM
Not really useless,the fatal bonds are still awesome in mid-late game.
itsmeagain
02-25-2007, 07:19 AM
wat abt the dagger ?
SweetyGaL(
02-25-2007, 12:22 PM
Try getting MKB, MOM for warlock =)
itsmeagain
02-25-2007, 01:44 PM
O.o killer warlock ?
Dart@
02-25-2007, 04:50 PM
wat abt the dagger ?
Dagger is for u to escape and catch enemys using ur infernal.
get dagger to escape sticky situations. Good escape and agreesive item.
dagger ftw!:Banane25:
Dart@
02-25-2007, 04:52 PM
Try getting MKB, MOM for warlock =)
mom will not be a good choice. wl does not have enuff hp and escape skills to manage it. ur 1 second stun is not enuff to kill.threads would be better.
why mkb,skardi would be better. slow ur enemys and micro ur infernal to hit them.:Banane46:
itsmeagain
02-25-2007, 05:12 PM
orh.. okok so dagger. but in draft matches leh ? dagger oso ?
haha ya same reason lor...to espcape and catch and in matches there's gonna be a lot of catchign and escaping to do lol i've seen many teams where all their heroes have eos.
itsmeagain
02-25-2007, 08:38 PM
icic.. okok .. i'll try it out tonight =D
d0minic
02-25-2007, 10:00 PM
DoE is good on warlock.
itsmeagain
02-26-2007, 06:26 PM
ooo.. i manage to farm guinsoo and meka and boots onli .. a cpuple of tps though.. nv manage a blink dagger ..
B|a h x 3 `
02-26-2007, 06:54 PM
You should'nt add fatal bond till late or mid-late. Early game damage by fatal bond does crap..
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It is easy to get a warlock kill, just make sure you deny enough to make sure they don't get their ultimate before yours, and as above mentioned, they should be 300-200 or 400. When you're ready, just word the fella and drop the infernal, he should be dead.
Anyway my starting item build for warlock is 3 branches 6 tangoes and 2 clarity pots. With tangoes, you can be a little more offensive during the beginning, like dedicating most of your shadow words offensive to your enemies instead of healing yourself. Use the first 2 clarity pots to free will. Until you reach half the exp bar to level 5, use the last pot, so that you'll be able to do a infernal-shadow word combo by level 6.
Upping bonds or upheaval early is a error IMO, because stats improves warlock's survival and spammage rate. With enough attack damage, microing is also easier.
However, I don't go for refresher in any case...my build would be skadi, blinkdagger, Heart, meka and power treads. As for the other one, TP scroll for escapes-cum-backdooring-cum-defending.
Why not refresher? Because although it gives you double infernal and double the pain and double the stun, they'll just get diffusals and you officially feeded them 2 infernals. With diffusal wielded by enemies, the only useful thing is the wide 1000 AoE stun and 100 damage.
Skadi is a better choice as it gives warlock the slow and damage and stats he needs. Slowing down solo enemies will give your infernal free attacks. The stats also allow you to survive without going back for a long time, and also increases your mana pool. With a skadi and a level 4 fatal bond at late game, you will deal serious damage to all 5 targets.
Blinkdagger - no explanation why, all heroes should get this except vengeful, potm, pudge, am and qop.
Warlock is a very high DPS and survival hero, with Skadi meka and heart you should be alive almost all the time. Skadi and heart drastically increases your health pool, enabling you to tank more for your infernal to destroy something. Once your health pool is depleted, you can always word yourself, and the heal will be used to it's max potential.
Well, I think everyone has his or her own warlock playstyles.
wa u so free hor type so long lol =/
B|a h x 3 `
02-26-2007, 06:55 PM
orh.. okok so dagger. but in draft matches leh ? dagger oso ?
try dagon 1st item. don tel me u cant farm out dagon as 1st item.
itsmeagain
02-26-2007, 08:05 PM
but draft match dagon meh ?
d0minic
02-27-2007, 11:27 AM
why not ? there is no such thing as useless item.
yea it all depends on how u want to play ur hero
itsmeagain
02-27-2007, 06:09 PM
oooo .. okok
CrimsonBlack
02-27-2007, 07:13 PM
orh.. okok so dagger. but in draft matches leh ? dagger oso ?
In some draft matches, almost everyone gets a dagger.
SKADI OVER GUINSOO.ftw[!]
d0minic
02-27-2007, 07:59 PM
Guinsoo better.
CrimsonBlack
02-27-2007, 08:59 PM
No skadi....Guinsoo isnt a good item for warlock...Skadi is better...some professionals from top teams have a say?
Join the Skadi Club!
Destory Guinsoo club!!
Dart@
02-27-2007, 09:33 PM
lol,destroy clubs!!!
depends on situation really.
But in the recent versions,warlock play support better.
Shadow word is crap,infernal walk so slow -.-
Play support lol
ruixiang
02-27-2007, 09:34 PM
haha ya same reason lor...to espcape and catch and in matches there's gonna be a lot of catchign and escaping to do lol i've seen many teams where all their heroes have eos.
EOS effect can stack meh ?
Shadowfear
03-01-2007, 09:00 AM
Warlock should get radience and refresher
immolation + fata bonds + immolation from infernal...can clear team
itsmeagain
03-01-2007, 06:37 PM
hmmm yea i agree. mayb nercobook ?
i go skadi and necrobook leh :/
EOS effect can stack meh ?
he meant DOE [ dagger of escape ]
StripperA
03-02-2007, 02:35 PM
Hahaha I'll go Bot,Skadi,Refresher,Dagger,Guinsoo and Radiance if I were to play a warlock seriously..
itsmeagain
03-02-2007, 09:28 PM
woot . i just realise alot of games every hero got doe
kensonex
03-02-2007, 11:36 PM
dun learn ulti...imbal useless
ruixiang
03-03-2007, 09:31 AM
ulti useful lah ... Mass stun leh ... Engage can stun all 5 .. Bt if lose engage oso feeding dem wif stone gold lol
Scynth*
11-03-2007, 09:58 PM
Dagger-Guinsoo-BoT-book-deso-radiance
ruixiang
11-04-2007, 12:14 AM
wl go deso 1st item den dagger guinsoo ftw!
SkySkySky
11-04-2007, 10:16 AM
go wards wards dagger guinsoo then wards wards again. supportor lor
ace[lily]
11-04-2007, 10:48 AM
i would say go hex, blink, deso.
SG_Lancelot
11-04-2007, 11:02 AM
lock lacks a disable.hex does the job. a lock with dagger means unkillable lock. people wan to gank u, see ur dagger, sian half, let u farm ur ass out. hex do i nid to explain y its gay? 3.5 sec disable for 5k, tonnes of int and damage too.
meka sux for lock. y waste the money on a 200 aoe heal? using the money for meka u buy a Boots of Trav, making u more versatile in farming and engage as well as escaping.
crimson since u ur skadi build owns, y not post some reps of ur ownage skadi lock build in drafts? im not saying its inpossible. but it certainly is not a item dat brings out locks potential in engaging and catching.
InT_fatalroyal
11-05-2007, 01:30 AM
dagger, soul booster,eul, refresher, boot of travel, mini pudge
ZyHinoX
11-05-2007, 01:20 PM
What is mini pudge?
YupiGummyBear
11-05-2007, 01:43 PM
mini pudge = the new chicken
and imo mekansm doesnt suck for warlock.. its great when the enemy just finished using their nukes, u give your teammates immediate additional hp and strike back while enemy's spells are still on cooldown. shadow word + mekansm is good during pushing too. eg after an engage u won, all ur heroes are low on hp and are unable to continue destroying the enemy base. this is when mekansm together with shadow word comes in handy. just enough hp and time to destroy the enemy base tower ftw.
ZyHinoX
11-06-2007, 12:19 AM
oooooo got new chicken ?? 6.49b? i dont really play tat map since i hardly pub..
StripperA
01-29-2008, 05:53 PM
warlock go for fast book
MessY-
01-30-2008, 01:58 AM
and remember to not word creeps or word the wrong people.
dont be like me !
Bouncy
01-30-2008, 02:48 AM
if u wanna be good in team battles , u need items
rapier , butterfly , heart , assault cuirass , eye of skadi and guinsoo
u will do good in team engages this way
Nanoflame
01-30-2008, 05:00 AM
my warlock goes upheaval and fatal bonds early game for support as i can slow
them.. for items i go dagon to last hit heroes as i have no nuke and aghanim for the much needed hp and mana regen
StripperA
02-07-2008, 07:14 PM
aghanim scepter apparently increases the size of the rock to roshan size
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