Anti-Mage

[StripperA]

If I draft am, mind giving me some ideas on the laning? All the professors, phd one come give me some tips~

[kimpi]

If I draft am, mind giving me some ideas on the laning? All the professors, phd one come give me some tips~
solo mid lane... lol

[Ironfisto]

cant comment much. my dota brain shutdown.

[StripperA]

am solo wl mid..lol..

[<3dwarf]

am veno o.O

[CrimsonBlack]

shouldn't the thread be my imba AM =X

lolol more like loser AM...hardly killed anything..

[StripperA]

zzz, u killed me

[CrimsonBlack]

that was funny...

[StripperA]

hahahahaha, pub got one guy am buy sange

[CrimsonBlack]

Can lea..I got try before..SnY but no mana break or ulti de..

[StripperA]

stupid la, anti mage without mana break..

[<3dwarf]

am get linken is gosu

[CrimsonBlack]

I think vanguard ensure's AM's survival, and allows him to farm more open and bravely?

[StripperA]

linkens is gosu la..u should see ben's am..

[Ironfisto]

Part of the strategy in team game is gold deprivation.

AM is good at neutraling cos he can blink from neut stop to another without walking, eg from the centaur camp at btm river/rune, he can blink to dragon creep camp.

So if you are scourge, steal the sentinel's creep and vice versa.

Early game, he is close to useless, so he needs a range/harasser to pair with for him to get last hits.

Late game during clashes, he will be the sneaky bastard who takes out the casters.The cool thing about him is that he has blink.
1) He can blink in/out when he sees it fit to fight and out when his enemy focus fire on him. DO NOT wait till you are red life then decide to blink out. You are using blink for the wrong reason
2) Becos he has blink, nobody gives a damn bout him. So its a cool thing yea!

Personally i think think bashers sucks on him. For that matter, i dont like %chance based items. Things like sny, bashers,maelstorm works well in pubs and ih though.

Item wise:
1) BF for speed farming (The pers ensures sufficient mana)
2) Heart for survivability if needed
4) Alternatively, BKB. (try not to activate it the moment you enter battle. Everyone will aim you, and you will need to blink out to safety wasting the spell. Activate it midway through battle when there is a lot of confusion.)
5) Butterfly for DMG/IAS
6) Hyper to Cuirass (if your team has alot of DPS heroes)
7) Threads (yes, no reason for BoT)

Butter is a must for DPS as it gives IAS/DMG. Always ias items over plain +dmg items eg buriza,mkb becos AM has the best natural BAT among all heroes. Thats the general rule of the thumb, not some god send rule.

Non-needed items
1) Vanguard, blocking aint neccessary cos you are not a tank to absorb creep dmg)
2) Basher (too expensive, chance based. Great as last item though when your ias is high)


OK.. you are can carry on trolling~~~

[<3dwarf]

how bout dagon?

[StripperA]

dagon am? 0.0

[sheny_1]

i thk am shld try de hood.. tat new item

[d0minic]

DAGOn is damn great item

[StripperA]

i thk am shld try de hood.. tat new item

yeah it's a good alternative to vanguard..haha dunno whether the magic reduction stacks not..need ask the professors..

[Reya]

cant comment much. my dota brain shutdown.

right back at you.

[sheny_1]

yeah it's a good alternative to vanguard..haha dunno whether the magic reduction stacks not..need ask the professors..
magic reduction dun stack.. de... so two hood still same reduction as 1 hood..

[<3dwarf]

dagon is gosu, crimson love dagon

[ruixiang]

Part of the strategy in team game is gold deprivation.

AM is good at neutraling cos he can blink from neut stop to another without walking, eg from the centaur camp at btm river/rune, he can blink to dragon creep camp.

So if you are scourge, steal the sentinel's creep and vice versa.

Early game, he is close to useless, so he needs a range/harasser to pair with for him to get last hits.

Late game during clashes, he will be the sneaky bastard who takes out the casters.The cool thing about him is that he has blink.
1) He can blink in/out when he sees it fit to fight and out when his enemy focus fire on him. DO NOT wait till you are red life then decide to blink out. You are using blink for the wrong reason
2) Becos he has blink, nobody gives a damn bout him. So its a cool thing yea!

Personally i think think bashers sucks on him. For that matter, i dont like %chance based items. Things like sny, bashers,maelstorm works well in pubs and ih though.

Item wise:
1) BF for speed farming (The pers ensures sufficient mana)
2) Heart for survivability if needed
4) Alternatively, BKB. (try not to activate it the moment you enter battle. Everyone will aim you, and you will need to blink out to safety wasting the spell. Activate it midway through battle when there is a lot of confusion.)
5) Butterfly for DMG/IAS
6) Hyper to Cuirass (if your team has alot of DPS heroes)
7) Threads (yes, no reason for BoT)

Butter is a must for DPS as it gives IAS/DMG. Always ias items over plain +dmg items eg buriza,mkb becos AM has the best natural BAT among all heroes. Thats the general rule of the thumb, not some god send rule.

Non-needed items
1) Vanguard, blocking aint neccessary cos you are not a tank to absorb creep dmg)
2) Basher (too expensive, chance based. Great as last item though when your ias is high)


OK.. you are can carry on trolling~~~

Without basher u can almost say it cant kill any hero . imagine having perma stun . u dun nid any dmg item to kill ur opponent cos he cant do anyting to no matter wad imba items he has . If lyk wad u say get heart so u can survive in engages , i see no point even playing am .

[Ironfisto]

Its a matter of judgement, if you see it that way thats fine.

[ruixiang]

hmm ... y dun i explain to u y ppl lyk going basher for am .. AM has a passive mana burn and ulti which judges according to the loss of mana . To ensure more hits which in return , more mana burn , we'll have to make sure the opponent does not sneaks away while ur hitting. As many ppl tink am shud not go for basher as it has no natural disabling skills, it has a veri high atk spd. Going for a hyperstone or butterfly and 2 or 3 bashers will be enuf for a perma bash and wif a perma bash u'll be able to burn ur opponent's mana wif ease of him running . Regarding the buying of BF , nope i dun realli agree wif it . So wad if ur farming well ? AM imo is a power hero going ard killing once it has the ability to. Bt wif BF , ur slowing dwn the time of getting the ability. Maybe BF might be a gd item bt i would say after getting ur bashers.

[<3dwarf]

Without basher u can almost say it cant kill any hero . imagine having perma stun . u dun nid any dmg item to kill ur opponent cos he cant do anyting to no matter wad imba items he has . If lyk wad u say get heart so u can survive in engages , i see no point even playing am .

so a rapier am < basher am?

[Ironfisto]

Yea.. i get your point.
Going bashers is a popular trend.

But im more into the alternative playstyle kind of person. Remember you have to factor in the element of surprise into the game too. The more you deviate from the the common practice, the more advantageous it is.

Of cos, the build must be well substantiated for it to be workable.

[<3dwarf]

basher is good but i dun see his point of having basher as a must

[StripperA]

Yea.. i get your point.
Going bashers is a popular trend.

But im more into the alternative playstyle kind of person. Remember you have to factor in the element of surprise into the game too. The more you deviate from the the common practice, the more advantageous it is.

Of cos, the build must be well substantiated for it to be workable.

my friend plays mekasm and linkens sphere on am..he pwns..^^

[B|a h x 3 `]

my friend plays mekasm and linkens sphere on am..he pwns..^^
o.O on pubs??? or cal him come pk am VS am he get mekasm n linkens i jus get 2 basher ?

[StripperA]

no leh, linkens mekasm threads cuirass offering butterfly

[benfwL]

o.O on pubs??? or cal him come pk am VS am he get mekasm n linkens i jus get 2 basher ?


in draft game ok, if i never heal u that game, you got 1 more death liao. its me la. anyway, bashers sux.

mekansm linken antimage will most definately win 2 basher antimage. : ) do some mathscraft and you will know why.

not to mention basher antimage does shit in team games and has super low life and armor.

dota is 5 v 5. not street fighter.

[<3dwarf]

my friend plays mekasm and linkens sphere on am..he pwns..^^

rofl.... this build is in the dota-allstars guide

[benfwL]

rofl.... this build is in the dota-allstars guide


started this build due to some replays ive watched, guide or no guide, it owns. if you need any further explanation, i could provide you some : p

Because guides are only but references.

I do RUSH midas if
1: opponent picks chen
2: i chinafarm the whole game( which is usually my role)

[<3dwarf]

actually meka is quite good for almost all heroes, and linken is also good if you are a hunter

[StripperA]

started this build due to some replays ive watched, guide or no guide, it owns. if you need any further explanation, i could provide you some : p

Because guides are only but references.

I do RUSH midas if
1: opponent picks chen
2: i chinafarm the whole game( which is usually my role)

yeah, china farming ben..bangla ganking ??? hahahaha..

[benfwL]

bhangra ganking is for you and des

[<3dwarf]

stripperA noes everyone is dotasg o.O

[StripperA]

no i don't..i just like to play dota

[<3dwarf]

i noe, can tell but you love to watch gers also =X

[StripperA]

lol thats 2nd on my interests list, good to spot chio girls ^^

[MR.A-Z]

Each of u guys have some point tht can pick up..
Anyway.. for the arguement between basher or hp/regen.. i'd like to give some humble opinion..
If thru out the game besides gang war n nothin else.. n if ur targeted enemy stand still n hand in hand fightin w u.. i'd like to suggest Tread, 2 butterfly, BKB, 2 Heart.. since he not goin to run away.. i believe tis build can whack down any enemy.. so WTH goin for basher??
But is this condition always exist? u'll find it hardly..
But there is a slightly nearer situation to this which is u have some great disablers tht can help u freezin the targeted enemy while others enemy whackin them.. then this build stil works fine..
Battlefury..I'll go for it for it give AM farmin speed, slight HP n Mana regen but which is sufficient for him to farm w full hp or chase down enemy w blink
And since AM is a hunter type hero.. which means he frequently need bs enemy hero tht farmin happily.. which is most of the time 1v1 situation. Here come the contribution of basher.. without tht u often time need chase them right to their base.. which provide u high risk of get ****d by their teammates..
Even in gang war.. u'll still c how basher work w efficiency.. AM greatest task is to blink behind of enemy lines n get rid of those caster.. to prevent them from runnin/blink away or stop their channelling.. basher rocks..
Butterfly work best w AM for it give IAS, damage, armor, evasion which make AM not only a caster bully but oso can hand in hand w enemy fighter like bone,pa etc.
Sometime i'll consider radiance oso.. for it give AM farmin speed.. Evasion.. n burnin tht greatly help in killin hero.. cos most of the time u'll be keep a close distance but cant touch enemy while chasin.. the burnin will like a fist tht keep punchin tht enemy^^.. but its effect keep nerfed.. gosh..
BKB.. i consider it a gud item for AM.. which works hell great w basher.. Enemy wan run cant run.. wan stunt cant stunt..hahaha..PLus it give slight HP n damage too.. so it'd be considered if there is more than 1 disabler..
AM only weakness is Hp problem n damage problem if enemy is not intel hero.. with this early game vanguard can be considered n late game heart.. Assault is 1 of the best item for AM oso since it increase the efficiency of AM when fightin w fighter hero.. this rounded item help increase AM armor.. decrease enemy armor which means increase AM damage.. increase IAS which means increase mana burn n chance of bash..cool^^
Tread>Boot of Travel.. cos need not to worry for gettin ****d when farmin alone w his blink plus he got too much item need to get..
Can't think of anyth else at the moment.. add on next time.. :p

[StripperA]

treads definitely pwns with am..unless ur damn lazy dun want blink all the way home ^^

[Reya]

started this build due to some replays ive watched, guide or no guide, it owns. if you need any further explanation, i could provide you some : p

Because guides are only but references.

I do RUSH midas if
1: opponent picks chen
2: i chinafarm the whole game( which is usually my role)


you in clan FWL for a reason =x

[StripperA]

yeah im sure people who knows ben know what that stands for~

[<3dwarf]

AM actually you can play alot of way

attack speed = power treads/midas
damage = buriza/rapier
evasion = butterfly/radiance
support = guinsoo/meka
anti-spellcaster = bkb/linken
kser = dagon
bash/mini stun = mkb/basher
fast ms = boots of travel, yasha
cant farm well = bracer/wraith bands

[StripperA]

and the best of them all is dagon

[<3dwarf]

yeah, cause the only use is to ks

[StripperA]

no the use is to KS YOU

[<3dwarf]

wth dun go off topic again =/

[StripperA]

fine, the purpose of dagon ON AM, is to KS YOU

[<3dwarf]

dun spam le ^^

[StripperA]

indeed, anyone else has any builds to share? Please post, and explain why too..lol

[<3dwarf]

i have shared my view... am best is can kill opponent as fast as possible

[StripperA]

yeah, other than you..am fans plz post here thanks..my good friend who plays am would love to have a look at what u have to say too ^^

[<3dwarf]

i dun like agility, dun nid much skill except micro wise which is hit n move, hit n move

[StripperA]

got one faceless void, the chronosphere placing impt..skill~

[Reya]

time walk also leh.. must estimate range =X
anot walk walk cannot time walk.. DIE..

[<3dwarf]

he put chrono in the end still kena ks by ppl outside using wave or dagon lor

[Reya]

i have never play anti-mage before

[B|a h x 3 `]

in draft game ok, if i never heal u that game, you got 1 more death liao. its me la. anyway, bashers sux.

mekansm linken antimage will most definately win 2 basher antimage. : ) do some mathscraft and you will know why.

not to mention basher antimage does shit in team games and has super low life and armor.

dota is 5 v 5. not street fighter.
er... come play? ur mekan+linken= ard 9k??? den i get 9k item we come pk??? er... tis not kof pls. is dota.

[kimpi]

hong wu kof zai hor..... his iori 1 stun killl

[freshie]

AM should bottom lane with Warlock and Dazzle, keep farming creep, if take too much damage, get them to heal you. Make sure 1 of them get a headdress and the other a rob. If Kotl can come down chakra both of them to heal you will be perfect.

[d0minic]

Am if used well. is a strong hero.

[StripperA]

lol...kof sia..

[B|a h x 3 `]

hong wu kof zai hor..... his iori 1 stun killl
ya lor.. hahs

[benfwL]

er... come play? ur mekan+linken= ard 9k??? den i get 9k item we come pk??? er... tis not kof pls. is dota.


wtf, chill leh. you cannot catch sarcasm ? you dont have to flame a build which has always been effective . yes i know its dota, and everyone knows dota is 5v5. its about 7k too , but thats not the point.

the item choice is just clearly stronger, and im sure everyone who understands will agree also.

[<3dwarf]

meka linken good but sound abit humji

[benfwL]

meka linken good but sound abit humji

You can have so much kills man, its how you play, not how the item works.

[StripperA]

ks and u will have lots of kills..^^

[<3dwarf]

ya, get meka and linken + 1 DAGON!

[StripperA]

no its not just dagon, its dagon 5!

[<3dwarf]

lols, dagon 5 is 800 damage sia, u give qop sure can ks like mad

[StripperA]

am more fierce, he strip shirt then dagon

[<3dwarf]

lols, he buy bkb more fierce suddenly shoot instead of melee

[StripperA]

he become terrorblade for a while lol

[<3dwarf]

he become his brother for a while

[StripperA]

u stand beside terrorblade u half his height

[Reya]

lols, he buy bkb more fierce suddenly shoot instead of melee

its still melee, only SK will become range also. lone druid also.

[StripperA]

when u say sk u mean sandking? he shoot what out when bkb..i thought its just a big scorpion?

[<3dwarf]

lols.... veno buy bkb also range!

[StripperA]

veno go get lj enlargment with bkb lol~

[Reya]

veno is already range.
and that SK i mentioned is soul keeper.
as for lone, its from range to melee..
and can abuse bug..
can make RANGE hero with lone's ultimate effect ( extra HP and skills )
icefrog dono how clear this bug

[<3dwarf]

lols..... noobies, i knew it was soul keeper wahahahahahahhahahaha

[StripperA]

zzz...soulkeeper with bkb is a waste..but its up to the player's preference

[ace[lily]]

go learn how to "fake blink".
meaning u press blink but never blink. good skill.
and learn how to blink the rite way.stun come, u blink.

[Reya]

blink dagger cant go that.

[StripperA]

blink dagger good item to zhao..but is overkill on anti-mage lol

[poorcloud]

lol ever see naix get bkb also... was like so overkill... avatar mode for 30+ seconds...

[Reya]

lol ever see naix get bkb also... was like so overkill... avatar mode for 30+ seconds...

might kena bug also

[poorcloud]

might kena bug also
kana bug watcha mean?

[StripperA]

yeah reya what bug?

[Reya]

uncontrollable -.-

keep do BKB AVARTAR BKB .. tio bug.. u cannot control hero..

[poorcloud]

O.O i seee got such thing meh? nvr see b4

[StripperA]

think when u buy bkb they will give a warning

[Reya]

ya they do.. you dont believe u can try wtf mode.. [ cause no cooldown ]

[StripperA]

wtf mode avatar with naix..sick..

[KcP.šìç[k]™]

wtf mode magnataur.. sick.. (hey who mentioned me)

[StripperA]

perma reverse polarity

[Cr|msoη]

dan, wtf you got 2k posts.

[yurec]

he was hardworking :D.

wtf mode! sick.

[Reya]

crimy why u create new acc ?

[StripperA]

he was hardworking :D.

wtf mode! sick.

indeed. crimmy why u change accnt?

[darkillidan]

llllllllmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaooooooo
i started laughing since the first page of this thread.

1st joker item : bkb. what is am? ANTI-MAGE. when he already got a 40% magic reduction, you buy him a bkb. disabling the 40% magic reduction for ?? seconds. furthermore, 1k + 1.2 +1.65 = 3.85k. tts so LMAO man seriously. i buy a treads to pk your bkbed am, we'll see the result.

2nd joker item : BF LOLLLLLLLL its super super funny when you see how people are trying to help, yet they didnt see the need for themselves. wtf is aid in farming? BF? why do competitive RK dont even put BF then? after 5 stats they proceed to armor, WHY? WHY NOT CLEAVAGE? its useless, and it just simply hinders your farming. how? when 2 creeps are red, you killed one, and creeps killed another. isnt it too smart or something? whats the trend now? creepwave control. know what is it? go watch replays if you dont know.
it really makes me laugh when people saying bf helps to farm.

do you know why am needs vanguard? ffs, who the park says am armor is low? it is the first time i heard of an agil hero with low armor. Str adds HP and hp reg. agil adds armor and attack speed. int adds mana and mana reg, everyone knows about it. your build is super sensible man. am is 60% vulnerable to casters only. take a lina with sceptor and inverse on AM. save replay if you see the am's life falls below orange. if in match a lina uses inverse on AM everyone in the team will start clapping. with vanguard, it kindof protect against fast agil heroes like troll/viper.

bashers? it seriously depends on the opponent and the team. if opponent needs disabling (rk with superfirepower/tank without bkb) then get perm bash. if not i would suggest 1 or no basher. someone is right, when bashing am can reduce more mana from opponent thus maximize its use. however, when it comes to going against 3 or more strength hero, i would suggest mkb buriza or divine aegis.

seriously im curious how many of you are competitive players? and who have used AM before? i've only seen it once it match. it is teamed with LOA. paper? i thought so too. but the AM is 12 - 0 with vanguard treads aegis butterfly buriza ( by order) without any aegis used. who says mana reduction doesnt stacks? i dont know about that, but AM with vanguard and aegis is as good as bkb i can say.

for my build, like i've said earlier, bashers depending on both teams. usually i get 1. i'll go for vanguard and treads, butterfly and buriza if opponent is agil base, mkb and buriza if opponent is strength base. whats the last item? dr aegis of course, if the game last beyond 70 mins.

yeah i just realise i've flamed alot of people in this treads. flame back if you want. flame back if you think you're right. but if you know you're not a competitive player, it'll only makes me laugh if you tries to argue back. correct me if you're wrong. shy_excuseforatimidguy@hotmail.com 1v1? by all means.

[§hadow]

Try getting dagon and dagger of escape for ur am O.o

'It helps'

[<3dwarf]

lols.... josh change ur signature =X

[StripperA]

lol that sig is so unoriginal..go tap lingzi =)

[Charm]

If I draft am, mind giving me some ideas on the laning? All the professors, phd one come give me some tips~

stripper A, if you have see me draft am at crossfire. I will mostly put in with a range hero that can spam or haress very well. I use to lane my AM with a viper, potm, thd, vs or a lich. These heros should be able to give him cover from the opps heros. In terms of timing, your am should be timing 2 or 3 out of the whole wave everytime. And always put AM in the safer lane, for sent that would be bottom. If scouge put him at top. If he's at bottom sent lane, he should be farming and pulling creep most of the time. Because if his range hero leave the lane it would be hard for him to live due to sucky early game str.

[Reya]

you think let am solo meh.. surely got guarder or something right -__-

EDIT : but anyway am with viper is not good..

[Charm]

you think let am solo meh.. surely got guarder or something right -__-

EDIT : but anyway am with viper is not good..

Haha if so explain why please.

[StripperA]

u should see how they pair am with potm, it was great

[Charm]

u should see how they pair am with potm, it was great

Yes i know. Best is when potm can hit a 3 to 4 second stun. The damage done by and arrow and am is too much of a "nuke" already.

[StripperA]

yeah a few whacks from him is a nuke

[Reya]

Haha if so explain why please.

2 farmer together ??
each wave 4 creep.. each take 2 arh.. -.-" ?

[StripperA]

am viper is okay, am wl is good..

[Charm]

2 farmer together ??
each wave 4 creep.. each take 2 arh.. -.-" ?

you think about it. Viper get kills and am get creeps. And it's ok for both to farm because they have around the same base damage. I tried this with my team and it was ok. My viper had his items and i had my. Pure ownage. So it's not about the farmers, it's about the farming.

[StripperA]

lol reya..try to get 1 1st wahahhaa

[Reya]

lol reya..try to get 1 1st wahahhaa

wtf u talking about. no link ?

anyway i think viper am not so good leh.. ur viper can get kills ok, but surely late game still lil item imo..
you meet untill those better combos also jia lat :/

and danny ****.

[ruixiang]

Haha if so explain why please.

duh tis 2 hero tgt hard to lane control + dey might get pawned easily. Shud get a spammer or supporter to help control his lane instead.

[StripperA]

wl am is owning~~~ reya isnt =D